"gender dysphoria isn't real!" dudes when i force them to wear dresses
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@noinconsistency I don't think that what they would feel is gender dysphoria, but rather the fragility of their masculinity and insecurity over what other men will think of them.
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@inquisitrix @noinconsistency Yeah it would be more like being treated as a woman in context that matter and then being forced by a logically to medically transition.
That's why I say if gender identity isn't real, then a CIS person should have no problem transitioning with no dysphoria
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@ShellTerminal @inquisitrix @noinconsistency Gender identity isn't real in the sense that gender roles are a social construct and not inherent. Things that are social constructs still matter to our brains but that is dependent on nurture and not nature, hence the "not real" tag. It matters, we feel it, but it's not inherent
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@amsiseepy @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency Call it sex identity if you want to make up a bullshit definition of "gender identity" to reflect literally only the social aspect, but there absolutely is something innate in your brain telling you which sex your body is supposed to be, and distressing you when it's not.
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@inquisitrix @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency Your body, yes. How you're treated/look, no. Gender roles and societal expectations of what a man and a woman is like and is supposed to be are entirely made up and there's nothing inherent about them. Humans have had different gender roles across history with different-
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@amsiseepy @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency Yeah but they relate to the thing in your brain telling you which sex you're supposed to be. Then you grow up and develop and observe the people around you and internalise that you're supposed to have the same role as the people of the sex you're supposed to be.
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@inquisitrix @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency I'm not arguing against any of this, I'm just saying that the things that you internalize are made up and often harmful to both us and c1s ppl. It is learned and not inherent.
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@amsiseepy @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency Yeah, when unrealistic standards are internalised (which happens to both c.s girls and trans girls, absolutely) it results in them feeling insufficient, and for trans girls specifically, it can cause them to feel dysphoria if it makes them feel like "not real girls".
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@inquisitrix @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency This at some point was even worse for me because I didn't fit either box. Gender roles are inherently binary and it makes life a lot harder on people who are nb, because you feel alienated from both sides. You don't belong anywhere. You just have to pretend to be one or the other
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@inquisitrix @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency Feelings of insufficiency and not feeling like a real girl. This is worse when you're non binary and not a guy or a girl. Rigid binary gender roles don't allow for a middle, so you just end up alienated even from trans girls, even if they're closer to your reality.
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@amsiseepy @ShellTerminal @noinconsistency why does not feeling like a real girl make you feel insufficient? doesn't being non-binary mean you don't intend to be a girl to begin with?
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@inquisitrix @amsiseepy @noinconsistency It's ok to be non-binary, and it's ok to be binary ...
It's also ok to be genderqueer .
But always in context and policy , otherwise they( as in plural ) will go into the weeds 🤭
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@amsiseepy @inquisitrix @noinconsistency If it's 1amn or that means you are Europe ..
And that's why it's a conversation for another day.
Sleep is important ...rest easy ❤️
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@ShellTerminal @inquisitrix @noinconsistency Not Europe no. I'm watching a vod and I'm gonna make it through work be damned
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