@cremieuxrecueil You are a classical liberal enlightenment thinker, as we all should be.
But political belief is not a spectrum, it's a web.
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Evidence is priced by destination. Writing on the epistemics of Antizionism and anti-Jewish politics; evidence, error-correction, intelligence, prediction, AI.
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@camhigby Your video will not catch on. The corrections will not spread.
The problem is the facts compete with the emotional pleasure people get from the Israel-is-a-cartoon-villain narrative.
The conspiracy gave people a feeling of righteousness. Facts ask for them to give it back.
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I am the only person who has ever debated a survivor of the USS Liberty incident.
The myth of intentional attack was fully obliterated and the lies of people like Phil Tourney were thoroughly illuminated.
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@HonestReporting @TrackAIPAC The evidence will be ignored because it competes with the emotional pleasure of believing in Jewish treachery.
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59 years ago today, Israel attacked the USS Liberty, killing 34 crew members and wounding 171 more:
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@EYakoby These countries helped spread the narrative that Israel is a cartoon villain, but they don't explain why it was so well-received.
It was well-received because there is unlimited appetite for stories of Jewish villainy. People want to hear these stories.
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BREAKING: The State Department report confirms that Iran, Russia and China are incorporating antisemitic narratives, threats and attack operations in both the physical and cyber domains.
As has been obvious, none of this is organic and you’re all falling for a foreign psyop.
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BREAKING: According to 14 interviews, Israel is training dogs to think that drones are actually frisbees, and catch them as a next generation air defense system.
@nytimes I’m ready to talk.
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@Cernovich Nobody makes this argument when 9/11 first responders claim it was an inside job. People enjoy hearing allegations of Jewish villainy, no matter how thin the evidence. That’s why there’s demand for this conspiracy.
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Even if you don’t see the attack as deliberate (I’ve read as much as anyone and remain unsure), it is a disgrace how Republicans in Congress have treated the survivors. They deserved to be heard.
Thomas Massie@RepThomasMassie
59 years ago today, Israel attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. 34 crew members were killed and 174 were wounded by the IDF. Today, I spoke on the House floor to honor the fallen and to recognize the survivors who were present in the gallery.
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@SStricklandMMA Sean bring up the USS Liberty because it lets him turn Israeli negligence or wartime failure into Jewish metaphysics: they kill Americans, control Washington, and make you call it an accident.
The idea is to make a cheap belief feel expensive.
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Pretending it didnt happen because they wanted another Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin response.. They knew it was going to happen.
Dr. Simon@goddek
🚨NOW: Rep. Thomas Massie just stood on the House floor and named what every politician in DC has spent 58 years pretending did not happen The USS Liberty. June 8, 1967. 34 dead American sailors. 174 wounded. Over 70% casualty rate on a virtually unarmed US ship. 25 minutes of Israeli jets, Israeli rockets, Israeli 30mm cannon fire, and ISRAELI NAPALM ON THE BRIDGE. Then Israeli torpedoes. Then Israel machine-gunned the lifeboats. MASSIE: "They were intent on leaving no survivor." Then the part nobody wants you to think about: the Saratoga and the America launched planes to help. The planes were RECALLED. The crew sat there bleeding for 17 hours. Dean Rusk. Richard Helms. Admiral Moaner. The chief counsel of the Court of Inquiry himself. None of them believed the "mistaken identity" story. And now you understand exactly why the entire DC machine and Israel lobby has spent the last year trying to primary this man out of existence. You are not allowed to say the quiet part. He said it anyway. Honor the crew. ussliberty.org.
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@wheresurhusband @JeremyDBoreing Inversion is the conspiracy theory’s immune system.
When they say "Israel isn’t Jews," they use it to mean: don’t notice when I’ve made "Zionists" play the exact role "Jews" played in the old conspiracy theory.
They change the noun but maintain the plot.
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No. The story was not overlooked or buried.
Israel immediately informed us the attack happened. There were numerous investigations. The Captain of the USS Liberty was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. Israel apologized and paid reparations.
The truth is, it's just not a big story. It's a tragic story, and no doubt. But it isn't a big story.
34 Americans died on the USS Liberty in 1967.
11,363 Americans died in the jungles of Vietnam in 1967.
Friendly Fire is horrific, but not uncommon. There is very little reason for a sixty-year old friendly fire incident to be widely known about, much less widely discussed.
For example, that same year, 1967, a US Marine Corp jet attacked a US Army position on Hill 875 in Vietnam, killing 42 American soldiers.
59 years later, not many remember Hill 875, not because it wasn't horrific -- it killed more Americans than the attack on the USS Liberty -- but because it isn't useful as a talking point to implicate the US/Israel relationship.
As to the second part of your question, we aren't discussing the USS Liberty today because of new information. We are discussing the USS Liberty today because of old -- even ancient -- grudges.
Steven@Steven28484
@JeremyDBoreing Jeremy, do you believe this story was overlooked or buried for a period of time? And from a broader perspective, how do you think Israel’s actions and response will be viewed as more information becomes public? Genuinely interested in hearing different perspectives on this.
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If you want to compare the Holodomor or the late-Ottoman genocides to the Holocaust, that's fair.
Comparing the war in Gaza to the Holocaust is stupid.
Abdul Qadir 🕌🇵🇸@Abdul_Q_86
Universalizing “Never Again” was exactly what gave the Holocaust story so much moral weight not just among Jews but also among the entire general public. If Zionists just want Never Again for Jews, then they don’t get to whine if everyone else stops caring about the Holocaust.
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@wheresurhusband @JeremyDBoreing You substitute the normal need for evidence with confidence, to make your cheap and masturbatory belief feel rigorous. This conspiracy theory has an emotional payoff for you, which is why you believe it. But it's more fun to deal with reality as it is.
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@erwd @JeremyDBoreing No, its highly suspect for false flag attempt. Highly.
And so now you are treating "jewish people" as a collective and not part of a nation? To try to say they did not spy/steal it from the USA?
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You believe this was not friendly fire because you *want* to believe it's more than that. You lower the evidence bar to accommodate your belief, which is cheap and conspiracy-minded.
As for nuclear technology, it's a historical fact that Jewish people gave nuclear technology to America. It's a fiction that Israel stole it from America.
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@erwd @JeremyDBoreing Na, its a pattern.
Israel most certainly stole nuclear technology and delivery technology from us.
Why is it hard to believe they would attempt a false flag in/around the same time period?
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@sentdefender I'm always inverse axios. This increases the odds of us seeing a joint US-Israel operation.
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“I said, ‘Bibi, you better be careful, or you will be on your own very soon,’” Trump told Axios.
OSINTdefender@sentdefender
In a phone interview Monday with Axios, President Trump said that he warned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu if he went back to war with Iran, he might find himself fighting alone, following an Israeli strike Sunday against Lebanon’s capital of Beirut which spurred a serious exchange of missile fire between Iran and Israel.
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@DefiyantlyFree People bring up the USS Liberty because it lets them turn Israeli negligence into Jewish metaphysics: they kill Americans, control Washington, and make you call it an accident.
It's not about what Israel did to a ship. It is about what the believer wants the ship to prove.
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The USS Liberty conspiracy theory asks you to accept that Israel, a nation of 2.5 million people fighting for its literal survival on six fronts simultaneously against 110 million Arabs equipped with Soviet tanks, Soviet aircraft, and Soviet warships, and with no formal American alliance, no American weapons, and no guarantee that anyone was coming to save them, is chose day four of that existential war to deliberately attack the one country on earth that might eventually become their ally, in broad daylight, in international waters, leaving 174 survivors who could identify the attacking forces, while fourteen separate investigations across two governments found zero evidence of intent, while Israel’s own military had accidentally bombed its own armored column the day before proving how catastrophically identification fails in wartime chaos, and while not a single one of the conspiracy theory’s proponents in nearly six decades of trying has ever managed to agree on what Israel was actually trying to accomplish by doing it.
Heavy lift.
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The Israel-did-Butler theory is not an evidence-based explanation of the shooting.
It's emotional. They think the evidence *should* point to Israel because that is where the pleasure is.
Justin@JustinUSA
Tucker Carlson’s guest, Ken Silva, says Israel is suspicious when it comes to Trump’s first assassination attempt in Butler because Crooks’ medical examiner was a dual Israeli citizen. 🤦♂️
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@cremieuxrecueil Facts are resisted because they compete with the pleasure of the anti-jewish narrative.
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Honestly amazing article.
The guy blames paid car parking on Jews, and then it turns out the guy he's blaming for paid car parking is not only NOT a Jew, but is instead someone who HATES Jews.
Anti-Semites do not do even the most basic fact-checking. Jews just run their worlds.
Crémieux@cremieuxrecueil
The inventor... was a Methodist. But the thing the article talks about isn't even paid parking, it's the first multi-story carpark, and the connection to Jews is that the inventor of said park was POSSIBLY 1/4 to 1/8 Jewish. BUT, the inventor was also an avowed anti-Semite!
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Supporting Israel is a test of moral and epistemic discipline.
Morally: can you reject the impulse to make Jewish harm feel deserved?
Epistemically: can you keep the same evidence bar when Jews are accused, instead of treating rumor as pattern and correction as propaganda?
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@KosherChutzpah It's like saying, "I'm not anti-Jamaican, I'm just anti-Rastafarian."
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Claiming "I'm not anti-Jewish — I'm anti-Zionist" is antisemitic, no matter how many "some of my best friends are Jewish" disclaimers you add.
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@GadSaad Used seriously, "genocide" is a grave term requiring grave evidence.
Antizionists use the term unseriously: not to explain events, but to explain away Jewish victimhood ("they had it coming!").
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Every time that a Noble Supporter of the Palestinians writes to me, the casualties of the "genocide" go up astronomically. It's now 1.7 billion Gazans that the Israelis killed nearly 1.1 billion of which were children. Truly terrible. And the "genocide" happened out of the blue. There was nothing that could justify such a retaliation. Amnesia of Causality is a beautiful thing.
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@yudapearl @RabbiWolpe Antizionism /ˌæn-ti-ˈzaɪ-ə-nɪ-zəm/ n.
A cheap belief in which the evidence bar is lowered to admit accusations against Jews, then raised to exclude Jewish defense, testimony, or counterevidence.
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So, what's going on at UCLA? Yesterday, our Chancellor addressed this question in a conversation with @RabbiWolpe at Sinai Temple.
See: youtube.com/watch?v=ltEEc2…
The key moment of the meeting was when Rabbi Wolpe asked Chancellor Frenk about the IHRA definition of antisemitism.
Quoting:
Rabbi David Wolpe:"Berkeley adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism. Do you think that UCLA will or should?"
Chancellor Julio Frenk: "My personal view is it should, and I want to do it in a process that brings the community along, not as a top-down decision. But when I describe the three waves of expansion, that is my interpretation of the definition."
Jewish students and faculty are now facing a dilemma: How are we to interpret what our Chancellor meant by "in a process that brings the community along"? Are we to wait until self-proclaimed "experts" like Dov Waxman and David Myers agree to accept IHRA, knowing that they have built their careers on opposing it?
I suggest we shouldn't. For us, the Chancellor's "personal view" is sufficient. We should not hesitate to cite this view as normative whenever we detect a violation of IHRA's criteria, labeling it as "antisemitic" or, better yet, "socially unacceptable"—or, better yet, "has no place on campus."
@AkaLazarus @JFrgatUCLA @ShanaMeyerson @adam_louis52328 @AndrewPessin @RozRothstein
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