Adrian S

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Adrian S

Adrian S

@Adrian_Simpson

Kayaks, nature, weather. Occasionally politics. Focus on the argument, not the person.

Katılım Aralık 2010
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@Eddystone506 Viewpoints like this are worrisome and should be challenged in any democracy. Decision making is not just for the middle and upper classes or the educationally privileged. Moreover, many Remainers appear ignorant of EU governance or the impact of EU laws on domestic legislation.
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Sustainable Energy Forum@Eddystone506·
Multiple sources show correlation between low education and voting Brexit. Why hasn't Labour been educating the electors who don't understand since 2021 ?
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@andrewd8497962 @danielanadj77 Indeed. ‘Primacy of EU Law’. Baked into membership from the start. Woeful ignorance amongst most UK voters. A key driver of the Leave argument.
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andrew dillon
andrew dillon@andrewd8497962·
@danielanadj77 Staying in the EU means EU LAW TAKES PREFERENCE OVER LAWS MADE IN HOLYROOD READ THE TREATY OF LISBON.
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Daniela Nadj
Daniela Nadj@danielanadj77·
Why are people so surprised that a majority of the audience on last night's Question Time want to be in the EU? That's what they voted for. Of course they did. Staying in the EU was always much more preferable than leaving. It's a shame English and Welsh voters didn't see that.
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Gully Foyle #UKTrade
Gully Foyle #UKTrade@TerraOrBust·
As was always going to happen. Having pointed out that @b_judah was yet again lying about OBR forecasts and the 4% GDP figure, he took the only option available to him. He deleted the lie? No of course not. He blocked me. So he can continue lying to his echochamber.
Gully Foyle #UKTrade@TerraOrBust

@b_judah Erm, because you're a liar? Either you haven't read the OBR analysis to know that what you said is completely wrong, or you have read the analysis and you are knowingly lying about what it says. Your choice. Are you speaking out of ignorance or deceit?

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Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@sharkiemick @corn1882 @afneil A 6-8% loss of GDP would be an economic disaster that would make the 2008 Global Financial Crisis look like a lottery win. Think about what you are saying. It’s so obviously not true that only those utterly lost in their own zealotry could even entertain it.
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Michael
Michael@sharkiemick·
@corn1882 @afneil Nobody said anything about going back. The argument is about what leaving cost. Peer reviewed research says 6-8% of GDP. If that’s a low bar to you, I’d hate to see your high one.
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Andrew Neil
Andrew Neil@afneil·
So rather than use the actual figures for economic growth, which show Britain holding up reasonably well in a lacklustre field, you prefer to depend on theoretical modelling, not just for the future but for years that have already happened. Modelling which is open to serious criticism. I notice Goldman Sachs seems to have taken down the study to which you refer (or perhaps you have a link). Nor did you answer my question. Time to move on.
Ben Judah@b_judah

▶️ You will see Brexiteers cling to the argument that because the 🇬🇧 grew recently at a similar rate to 🇫🇷 and 🇩🇪 there is no Brexit damage. ▶️ But economists at @GoldmanSachs, @nberpubs and others are not measuring the outcome but rather modelling what 🇬🇧 itself would have achieved had it not done Brexit: i.e. no new trade barriers and no new red tape with our larges market. ▶️ Every serious organisation that has modelled this has found a significant and growing Brexit drag on where the 🇬🇧 economy like have been otherwise. ▶️ What they are saying is we’ve weakened the 🇬🇧 economy to be like 🇫🇷 and 🇩🇪 when we should be growing much faster. ▶️ This is what @nberpubs found in its 2025 paper — “The Economic Impact of Brexit” by Bloom, Bunn, Mizen, Smietanka & Thwaites: 1️⃣ “By 2025, Brexit had reduced 🇬🇧 GDP by 6% to 8%, with the impact accumulating gradually over time” 2️⃣ “Investment was reduced by between 12% and 18%” 3️⃣ “Employment by 3% to 4% and productivity by 3% to 4%” 4️⃣ “These forecasts were accurate over a 5-year horizon, but they underestimated the impact over a decade” “These large negative impacts reflect a combination of elevated uncertainty, reduced demand, diverted management time, and increased misallocation of resources from a protracted Brexit process.” ▶️ How much has this cost us by these calculations? Some £180–240 billion.

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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@afneil Small land area, geographically central position, trade gateway for Germany et al, proportional overrepresentation of very large corporations. There’s no way NL is a comp for the UK as a whole. Generally open pro-business culture, ok. This guy is making it up as he goes.
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Andrew Neil
Andrew Neil@afneil·
You’re straying into territory in which I’m beginning to doubt your expertise. I suppose if you shop around and cherry pick for long enough you can come up with an EU member to ‘prove’ your case that UK would have performed better of it stayed in the EU. But the idea the Netherlands can be regarded as doppelgänger for the UK economy is for the birds. Also, in the 10 years before Brexit the Netherlands grew by 4/5 percentage points more than the UK. In the 10 years after the Brexit referendum the Netherlands grew 4/5 percentage points more than the UK. Remind what your point was? As for the trade to GDP %, that’s called the Rotterdam effect. Look it up.
Ben Judah@b_judah

The Netherlands actually a great example of why Brexit was a mistake and UK growth would have been much higher had me remained. Let me happily explain. The Netherlands has an economy much more like Britain than France of Germany with a strong orientation to services, finance and science rather than manufacturing. It's an incredible economy we should be emulating in fact: with an astonishing trade to GDP ratio of 170%. It's managed to achieve of this inside the EU. Now had we remained in the EU, I am confident, as the research from OBR, NBER and other suggests our growth rate would have tracked more closely to the Netherlands than France or Germany. Both of which have specific problems neither the UK nor the Netherlands share to do with either in France with their labour markets and company formation, or in Germany with overexposure to the China and Russia shock due to a larger manufacturing sector.

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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@casapinos @afneil Exactly. It’s why European blue chips are overrepresented in NL. NL economy is also boosted by geographically central position and role as trade gateway for its large neighbours. It’s a terrible comp for the UK. Maybe a comp for SE England only.
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john carrick
john carrick@casapinos·
@afneil A significant part of the Netherlands ' economic success is due to the tax breaks they offer US companies that domicile their European HQ there. See also Ireland. Together, they represent a disproportionate amount of the EU's growth.
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Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@afneil @AllisonPearson It’s telling that he switches his comments off. Brexit’s main disadvantage is it’s an easy scapegoat for those wishing to distract the hard-of-thinking.
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Andrew Neil
Andrew Neil@afneil·
Neil’s narrator adds: Since the Brexit referendum the UK economy has grown faster than Germany, France and Italy, which are all still in the EU. So much for the Brexit drag. The higher inflation, higher interest rates and poor fiscal position are overwhelmingly the result of the economic policies of previous Tory governments, exacerbated by the current Labour one, which continued to borrow too much, tax too much, spend too much. Hence the UK’s high gilt yields. Brexit didn’t even have a walk on role.
Ben Judah@b_judah

To summarise my point: Brexit has led to lower growth and higher inflation, thus a worse fiscal position, necessitating higher interest rates and creating more expensive gilts than we otherwise would have had worsening our gap compared to France since 2020. To summarise @afneil point: the worsening gap with France is purely Truss and Reeves and unlinked to Brexit. Make your own mind up!

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Benedict Spence
Benedict Spence@BenedictSpence·
A lot of Remainers like to indulge in a fantasy that Brexiters are a) all cripplingly stupid, but b) have changed their minds and would vote to rejoin. They don’t stop to think about what that would imply. They also don’t stop to think that it might be a fantasy.
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Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@BenedictSpence @StevePaul63 I very rarely meet a Remainer who is sufficiently knowledgeable about the EU’s political structures to really understand the issues. It makes their claims to (a) sound very strange indeed. The few that do are the ones that worry me most.
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@MortenBG @MagellanQuest Except you’ll notice all three are not landlocked. Maritime nations are not bound to trade with their immediate geographical neighbours. For the UK, whose main export base is services, even more so.
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MBG@MortenBG·
@MagellanQuest These three are just a matter of time
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MagellanQuest 🇪🇺/acc@MagellanQuest·
People mock the EU as weak, bureaucratic and dying. Yet countries keep trying to join it. Ukraine. Moldova. Georgia. The Western Balkans. Nobody spends years reforming laws, institutions and economies to enter a “failed project”. The EU is not perfect. But it is still the continent’s main gravity well.
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@TwosUpJ51 @WhittKev @ramonagusta @peterkyle @steph_sejourne Yes, there’s certainly a case for Maastricht being the consequential moment, which Lisbon then accelerated. The punchline in both cases is that what people voted for in 1975 is not comparable with what we voted out of in 2016.
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Peter Kyle
Peter Kyle@peterkyle·
Rebuilding our relationship with Europe matters. I headed to Brussels today to meet with @steph_sejourne as we deepen UK-EU cooperation on our industrial strategy. A closer relationship with Europe benefits Britain - it creates jobs, strengthens trade and increases our security.
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@WhittKev @ramonagusta @peterkyle @steph_sejourne 1975 was about joining a trade group. It was also an after-the-fact. The referendum we should have had was Lisbon, because it had great constitutional impact, but the electorate was denied that one. 2016 put things right.
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Kev Whitt
Kev Whitt@WhittKev·
@ramonagusta @peterkyle @steph_sejourne We also voted YES the 1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum 67% voted to remain. So why did we need the second referendum? Why not have another then it’s the best of 3
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@AnthonyGlees And the military angle is irrelevant. Defence isn’t an EU competence. We’re already allied with our European neighbours regardless of EU membership.
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Robin Murray
Robin Murray@robinthemint·
@ShippersUnbound Totally disagree. Brexit lies will not work again. We now have the experience of economic harm of Brexit and people wish to rejoin. Even in the Times today a live poll showed 74% wish to rejoin. Pro rejoin Tactical voting in a GE will crush reform and the conservatives.
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Tim Shipman
Tim Shipman@ShippersUnbound·
A reminder that the Leave campaign has had a slogan ready to go since the last referendum. 'Tell them again' looks like the easiest win in political history to me. The Rejoin terms would be so abject that, whatever the polls say now, many 2016 Remainers would vote to stay out
Tim Shipman@ShippersUnbound

As one of the chroniclers of Brexit, I am truly inspired by the lengths Nick Clegg, Ben Judah and others are going to in order to get me to write a fifth book. They can't actually believe they would win a Rejoin referendum, can they?

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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@Keir_Starmer It’s likely you won’t be PM by the end of the week. This is one of many reasons why. Importing mainland Europe’s unemployed is not going to help our young people. We voted against this already.
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Keir Starmer
Keir Starmer@Keir_Starmer·
Hope resides in our young people. But Brexit has held them back. They should be able to live, work and study in Europe, which is exactly what our Youth Experience Scheme will deliver. This is part of rebuilding a stronger relationship with Europe. That's the Labour choice.
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@SarahLudford The UK didn’t lose 8% of its national income. You clearly don’t understand the numbers. For context, the 8% contraction you describe would equate to complete financial Armageddon. Nobody would be working. Banks would have collapsed beyond rescue. It’s complete ignorance.
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Adrian S
Adrian S@Adrian_Simpson·
@ChrisDa52995613 @andrewhesselden Not sure what you’re referring to here. But today you’re waking up to a set of local election results which are a bloodbath for Labour and a significant lurch towards the political right. The direction is obvious.
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Andrew Hesselden
Andrew Hesselden@andrewhesselden·
A lot of people don’t realise that European Freedom of Movement was a post-war response to encouraging social cohesion within our continent. The idea was that letting people mix, collaborate and live/work/study/retire freely wherever they choose, would help avoid future division and war.
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