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Icy Pee
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Defunding education is how they make more republicans
FactPost@factpostnews
Trump's 2027 budget proposal cuts $2.3 billion from the Department of Education.
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty why did we need an amendment for indians then? They should have been legal from the start but they weren't until 1924 is the constitution clear or not?
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty Surprise, surprise, another desperate change of subject.
The Constitution says what it says. No matter how many excuses you give yourself to ignore it or tell yourself it ACKSHUWELLY means something else, it will still say, and mean, the same thing. Have a nice day.
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The 14th Amendment has been the law since 1868. If you think it's wrong, there's a process for changing it — it's called a constitutional amendment. An executive order isn't that. Whatever you think about immigration, a president rewriting the Constitution with a pen should concern everyone.
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty It went free white persons > slaves and their kids > american indians, when was everyone allowed?
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty Awww, Icy here has finally come to terms with his inability to respond intelligently and is just wallowing in childish whining and ad hominem.
"since day one, foreigners were never included."
And of course hilariously blatant lies. Can't forget that.
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty For an educator you really seem to be an exemplary example of why the youth have sub50% grad rates today. Its people like you who are reinterpreting the constitution and hollowing it out. There have been requirements for citizenship since day one, foreigners were never included.
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty "The drafters of the 14A obviously didn't believe that"
The drafters of the 14A were dealing with reality, not ridiculous counterfactuals that were fabricated for the sole purpose of imagining a problem where none exists.
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@porterstansb If you banned Black People from posessing guns gun violence would drop 90% overnight. Its actually a race issue.
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Race has nothing to do with this. The problem is guns, not people.
Tony Heller 🇺🇸 🇯🇵@TonyClimate
So far this year Chicago has had 364 shootings and 90 homicides. Only 3% of the shootings have involved white people.
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty So if that same foreign diplomat was stripped of their titles suddenly but remained in the US illegally, why would their kid become a citizen? The drafters of the 14A obviously didn't believe that, and everyone agreed hence the need for congress to act for American Indians.
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty They meant that children of foreign diplomats would not be citizens even if they were born here (meeting requirement the first requirement of the 14th amendment's citizenship clause), because they are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" (second requirement).
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty You said some American Indians were granted citizenship prior to 1924, what granted them citizenship prior to congressional action? What did the drafters of the 14A mean with their carve out "foreigners, aliens, children of foreign diplomats" or whatever they specifically said?
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty Yes, I agreed on a tangential point. Not on your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the obvious meaning of the fourteenth amendment. Which, needless to say (or it should be), was written AFTER "the founders" were gone.
"You really believe..."
No. That's why it was an AMENDMENT.
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty You agree that we should reject every restrictive gun law and be allowed to posess anything the police or military has, thats what my first point was and you agreed! You really believe the founders that wrote this believed anyone born on US soil was a citizen huh?
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty I "agree" with what? Your rejection of the plan language of the Constitution? Of course I don't.
"We all know..."
Yeah, no. Grown-up logic doesn't work that way. You can't substitute a self-congratulatory assumption for actual facts and reasoning.
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty No if you agree there is no point to hash it further! You agree, what other point would I possibly need to make? How come some American Indians were exempt? How are Illegal aliens included? We all know our founders would hang them and 80% of our current gov, be real.
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty Some already were citizens. The Snyder Act was to make ALL of them citizens. I take it from the abrupt subject change that you're not going to try to salvage your first talking point?
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@JDStokes79 @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty How come American Indians needed an act of congress in the 1920s to become citizens? How are illegal aliens not affected by whatever kept them from becoming citizens pre 1924?
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@ICPmule @theactualrob @ladiesofliberty That was already your civic duty. And the 14th amendment is just as much a part of the Constitution as the 2nd amendment. It's not "belief," it's just what the text says. Parents breaking a law do not somehow nullify a child's rights.
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@peskyblinker @Oilfield_Rando @AlexNowrasteh We live in a simulation and the observers want to see how absurd they can make things before we accept that we are really in a simulation.
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@Oilfield_Rando @AlexNowrasteh Can we take a minute to appreciate that a dude named Richard Cox repeatedly exposed himself to people, though?
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Wow @AlexNowrasteh something like this sure might contaminate Cato Institute data that asserts lower incarceration rates among illegal immigrants, huh?
AG@AGHamilton29
Fairfax County’s main prosecutor, Steve Descano, consistently drops charges against criminals, and especially illegal aliens, as a matter of policy. Stephanie Minter’s alleged killers had over 30 previous arrests. Almost every case was dropped. This is not sustainable.
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Him seizing up after getting choked out for 30 seconds is because he was on drugs. Same reason why George Floyd died from a move that ordinarily wouldn't kill someone but did because of the drug-induced respiratory depression
views@viewsceo
Clavicular just PASSED out and started convulsing after getting choked out 😳
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Democrats before they realized they could use illegal immigrants to help them steal elections.
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Outstanding find by Maze - GREAT throwback to Dianne Feinstein in 1993:
"Should people be able to come to this country, get on Medicaid, give birth to a baby, and then go back to their home country? The answer is no."
REPOST this absolutely EVERYWHERE.
#thinblueline #lawenforcement
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@David_J_Bier Care to explain why American Indians were excluded until the 1920s (and an act of Congress) and why illegal aliens are somehow included?
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Why would following the citizenship law that has governed this area for over 400 years be suicidal? We've excelled because of it, not in spite of it. All nativist apocalyptic claims are built on a fundamental anti-Americanism.
Mike Lee@BasedMikeLee
The Constitution isn’t a national suicide pact It doesn’t compel us to encourage illegal immigration with universal birthright citizenship
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Spot on. Those requirements are exactly what is codified in the Naturalization Oath of Allegiance (Image 1).
What makes this case unique is that Congressman Thanedar is double-bound by oath. As a naturalized citizen, he swore to defend the Constitution to join this Republic. As a Congressman, he swore it again under Article VI (Image 2) to lead it.
When a lawmaker uses constitutional amendments to justify loopholes rather than integrity, he isn't just 'interpreting'—he is undermining the very oaths that granted him his citizenship and his seat. The 'racism' label is frequently used as a tactical distraction to avoid discussing these binding legal commitments.
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As an immigrant myself, today's arguments on birthright citizenship are deeply personal to me. The 14th Amendment is clear: the children of immigrants are guaranteed US citizenship. Despite President Trump's wishes, he cannot rewrite the Constitution.
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Hillary Clinton: "We certainly don't want [illegals] having the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have."
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The Framers of the Constitution mandated the the President be a "Natural Born Citizen". We have seen foreigners flood political offices nationwide. "Paper Americans". Their allegiance is to their place of birth, not their town, city, state or country. The "Natural Born Citizen" requirement should be for all political offices. Am I being too harsh?
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@DrSnuggles73 @RepShriThanedar I thought Naturalized Citizens had some assimilation requirements already, are those not legally enforceable or is it just one of those things that we just choose to ignore because of "racism" or something?
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@RepShriThanedar It is disheartening to see a Congressman use the 14th Amendment as a shield for loopholes. I have spent 10 years studying US history. Your interpretation damages the very "Idea of America."
Since the Hart-Celler Act (1965), the Western, merit-based perspective has been erased. You treat citizenship as a technicality, but true allegiance is to "We the People" and our "Posterity."
We need an Assimilation Act to ensure the Republic remains for those who truly commit to its values.
(See Preamble image, Source: A Documentary History of the United States)
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