Ned Nguyen

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Ned Nguyen

Ned Nguyen

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All my post and replies here are my own opinions.

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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
The best time to learn about AI is 10 years ago. The second best time is today.
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
What would happen when the percentage of all people in the tech industry working on ai shifts from 0.1% to 5%-10%?
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@matvelloso My speculation is given how important is agentic use cases and how hard it's to acquire more private training data for agents, there will be a new business model in which the provider creates customized rl train models + harnesses for very large enterprises.
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@kunchenguid Companies at openai sizes think of themselves as a company shipping ai as a whole to the world. When you are in that mindset, models vs harness are just implementation details. Volume of workflow automated away by the company is the kpi, I think.
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Kun Chen@kunchenguid·
i'm strongly against model companies focusing too much on harness, but i would love to hear if anyone has a strong argument for it my reason against it: if openai didn't build GPT 5.5, no one else can. this is their core competence if openai didn't build codex cli and app, we have opencode and t3code. building harness is NOT their core competence this is not saying products like claude code, codex aren't good - i genuinely think these are top tier products built by really talented people my point is - the world might be a better place if model companies focus more on their core capability and give us better, faster, safer and cheaper models, rather than competing with the ecosystem in the application layer what do you think?
Greg Brockman@gdb

the model alone is no longer the product

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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@__apf__ Llm is basically a giant interpolation machine of all scraped written down ideas. The interpolation part is barely working.
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I have an AI benchmark that exists in my head. it's a set of questions about the real world that no search engine or LLM that I've tried has been able to answer (yet). all of the questions require pulling together niche information from multiple sources and modalities.
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Greg Kamradt
Greg Kamradt@GregKamradt·
"Code and math are taking off because they are easy to verify, the next frontier is domains that are hard to verify" This got me thinking - what does the spectrum of "easy to verify" look like? This is loosely aligned w/ @DarioAmodei's "intelligence bottlenecked" domains. My take of easy > hard: - Level 1: Instant, objective verification Math, code, formal proofs, chess tactics, parsing AI improvement is easiest here because the loop is tight - Level 2: Fast but incomplete verification Software engineering, UI implementation, data analysis, security bug finding You can test a lot, but not everything. “It passes tests” is not the same as “it is good” - Level 3: Human-evaluable creative work Copywriting, design, video thumbnails, sales emails, landing pages Verification is possible through humans or markets, but noisy. AI can improve by predicting human reaction, but taste shifts and metrics can be gamed There is no "right" answer, only feedback from humans - Level 4: Market-verifiable work Startups, investing, product strategy, hiring, pricing, distribution Reality gives feedback, but slowly and with tons of confounders - Level 5: Experimentally verifiable science Materials, biology, chemistry, medicine, robotics There is ground truth (physics), but experiments cost time and money. AI helps most when it can propose better candidates and reduce search space - Level 6: Institutionally verifiable systems Education systems (Alpha school), legal systems, city planning, corporate management systems You can measure outcomes, but the feedback cycle is long, and the counterfactual is hard - Level 7: Civilization-scale verification Democracy variants, alternative governance, monetary systems, cultural norms, geopolitical strategy Verification is slow, morally loaded, noisy, and often impossible to isolate. You may never get a clean answer, only accumulated historical evidence
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@Dan_Jeffries1 Too hard to come up with this because this data is out of his distribution :p
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Daniel Jeffries
Daniel Jeffries@Dan_Jeffries1·
Eric Schmidt should’ve stopped mid-speech and said: “Fine. Boo AI. But make your next Preply class Chinese, because the civilization cheering this stuff is not waiting for you to finish your campus struggle session.” China’s grandmas are lining up to install AI tools. Chinese developers are shipping open-source models like their hair is on fire. Their public is overwhelmingly positive about AI (83% feel positive about the future while in the west we are circling the drain around 30%). Their companies are moving fast, copying fast, improving fast, innovating fast, deploying fast. And in America? Our most educated children boo the mere mention of the most important technology since electricity. Why? Because our AI leadership class has spent three years doing the dumbest possible PR campaign in the history of technology. One half of them tells everyone AI will kill them. The other half tells everyone AI will take every white-collar job in 18 months. Then the closed-model cartel runs to DC whispering that ordinary people cannot be trusted with powerful open-source AI, that the future must be locked behind a handful of corporate APIs, safety boards, export controls, permission slips, and East India Company monopolies. And everyone acts shocked when the kids hate it. You told them AI means unemployment. You told them AI means extinction. You told them AI means no future. Then you walk onto a graduation stage and say “AI” and wonder why they boo. This is what strategic suicide looks like. The country that taught the world to love computers, the internet, open source, startups, hackers, builders, weirdos, tinkerers, and permissionless innovation is now teaching its children to fear the next platform shift. Meanwhile China looked at AI and said: deploy it, open it, copy it, improve it, integrate it, normalize it. We looked at AI and said: regulate it, monopolize it, catastrophize it, litigate it, protest the datacenters, ban the open models, blame every layoff on it, then act mystified when the public thinks it’s a demon machine. NIMYBs are moving from blocking housing to blocking datacenters. The same folks that stopped nuclear, the cleanest energy we have, are now joining hands with the NIMYBs. The hard right nationalists in Bannon and the hard left socialists in Bernie are joining hands in a new American party with mad Max Tegmark spending billions to terrify children about AI. Wonder what they'll call themselves? Maybe the National Socialists? The West does not have an AI capability problem. It has an AI civilizational-confidence problem. And if we keep telling our kids that the future is something to boo, don’t be surprised when the future answers back in Mandarin.
This Week in AI@ThisWeeknAI

3 commencement speakers were booed at the mention of Artificial Intelligence (Video) 1. Eric Schmidt, Google CEO 2. Scott Borchetta, Big Machine Records CEO 3. Gloria Caulfield, Tavistock Development VP

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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
Before this ai boom, I didn't recall CEOs, founders participate in public discourse that much. Now we have Jensen, Dario, Sam, Demis, TK,.. and many leaders share publicly what they think. What a time to be a part of.
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Mat Velloso
Mat Velloso@matvelloso·
It is amazing how much Codex and Claude both assume and use by default LibreOffice for anything related to Microsoft Office documents work. Imagine this: Even with all of Microsoft Office installed locally, STILL these agents PREFER to download and run LibreOffice for those edits. That's a choice, not an accident. I'd assume that by now the de facto standard for any agent doing anything on your machine related to Office documents would be a rich library from Microsoft, but no. If the future of document editing will be 99% agents and 1% humans, then why would these agents need Office licenses when they get what they need from LibreOffice? Will they be using Teams to call each other? 🤔
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@groby Be a lot more business oriented and you would be fine. Someone still need to translate tokens to business impacts.
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
What if a side effect of tokenmaxxing is companies realize that for a given business trajectory, there is a cap limit of staffs that can be hired to maximize productivity.
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Nate Berkopec
Nate Berkopec@nateberkopec·
I'm so sick of reading em dashes and "it's not x, it's y." I'm so sick of it, man.
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
What is the line between seeking for influence and seeking for making the most good to the world?
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
What if verification is the new code?
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@hkarthik Switch "I could have joined company X 12 months earlier" with "I could buy $1 mil san disk stock in 2025" or "I could buy a shit load of btc in 2013". The other two were even lower risk/hassle than switching job, yet you didn't do it. Hindsight is 20/20
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@Yuchenj_UW Just earn enough money to be able to pick what you work on and who you work with.
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Yuchen Jin
Yuchen Jin@Yuchenj_UW·
I had my FOMO phase too: “If I hadn’t started a company a few years ago and had joined OpenAI/Anthropic/xAI instead, I’d probably have $100M now.” But then I watched some of those rich people. Their daily focus became: “How do I minimize taxes?” “Where should I buy a house in SF or the Bay?” Instead of focusing on creating things. And honestly, they didn’t seem that happy. I’ve always felt $10M is the sweet spot of wealth. Beyond that, if money is still the only thing you’re optimizing for, the game starts to feel meaningless.
Deedy@deedydas

The vibes in SF feel pretty frenetic right now. The divide in outcomes is the worst I've ever seen. Over the last 5yrs, a group of ~10k people - employees at Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, Nvidia, Meta TBD, founders - have hit retirement wealth of well above $20M (back of the envelope AI estimation). Everyone outside that group feels like they can work their well-paying (but <$500k) job for their whole life and never get there. Worse yet, layoffs are in full swing. Many software engineers feel like their life's skill is no longer useful. The day to day role of most jobs has changed overnight with AI. As a result, 1. The corporate ladder looks like the wrong building to climb. Everyone's trying to align with a new set of career "paths": should I be a founder? Is it too late to join Anthropic / OpenAI? should I get into AI? what company stock will 10x next? People are demanding higher salaries and switching jobs more and more. 2. There’s a deep malaise about work (and its future). Why even work at all for “peanuts”? Will my job even exist in a few years? Many feel helpless. You hear the “permanent underclass” conversation a lot, esp from young people. It's hard to focus on doing good work when you think "man, if I joined Anthropic 2yrs ago, I could retire" 3. The mid to late middle managers feel paralyzed. Many have families and don't feel like they have the energy or network to just "start a company". They don't particularly have any AI skills. They see the writing on the wall: middle management is being hollowed out in many companies. 4. The rich aren’t particularly happy either. No one is shedding tears for them (and rightfully so). But those who have "made it" experience a profound lack of purpose too. Some have gone from <$150k to >$50M in a few years with no ramp. It flips your life plans upside down. For some, comparison is the thief of joy. For some, they escape to NYC to "live life". For others still, they start companies "just cuz", often to win status points. They never imagined that by age 30, they'd be set. I once asked a post-economic founder friend why they didn't just sell the co and they said "and do what? right now, everyone wants to talk to me. if i sell, I will only have money." I understand that many reading this scoff at the champagne problems of the valley. Society is warped in this tech bubble. What is often well-off anywhere else in the world is bang average here. Unlike many other places, tenure, intelligence and hard work can be loosely correlated with outcomes in the Bay. Living through a societally transformative gold rush in that environment can be paralyzing. "Am I in the right place? Should I move? Is there time still left? Am I gonna make it?" It psychologically torments many who have moved here in search of "success". Ironically, a frequent side effect of this torment is to spin up the very products making everyone rich in hopes that you too can vibecode your path to economic enlightenment.

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Susan Zhang
Susan Zhang@suchenzang·
"If you don't do X in Y, someone will. And probably someone younger." "Of course. The future will be in Y. Everything will be about building in Y." ----- Exercise left to the reader to solve for X and Y.
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
The six layers cake of AI: energy, hardwares, cloud infrastructure, model, applications, business diffusion.
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Ned Nguyen@NedNguyen·
@levie Maybe "AI diffusion engineers" sound way cooler :D
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Aaron Levie
Aaron Levie@levie·
I’m fully forward deployed engineering pilled specifically because AI simply is not the same as software. In software, you deliver a stable piece of technology to a customer and they adopt it and that’s that (extreme over simplification). In AI, you’re delivering something that is constantly evolving both due to the nature of the new capabilities and best practices that emerge, but also because the underlying models change so much that they can meaningfully change the workflow as a result of their upgrades. For this reason it’s far more logical that one vendor can share best practices across thousands of companies more efficiently than every single company can learn and manage these best practices themselves. Further, the learnings from those customers should go right back into the core product as a result. As we go from chat systems to anyone can relatively easily adopt to agentic systems that require more meaningful efforts to manage and update, the FDE model (or equivalent) essentially becomes a core competency for anyone deploying AI at scale.
Yash Patil@ypatil125

The real power of forward deployed engineering has always been putting strong technical people directly alongside the operators who own the outcome. That proximity forces the work to solve the actual problem instead of some sanitized version of it. In the AI era this principle has become even more valuable. Agents can now sit inside real workflows and improve from actual decisions, which means the highest-leverage work is extracting the tacit knowledge that lives with subject matter experts, building evaluations that reflect how things actually break, and closing the production feedback loop so agents get better from real outcomes.

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