@thelb236 @CatholicSmark Unfortunately it’s more than boomers. There is a whole group of Gen Xers, who are currently principals and teachers of Catholic high schools, who have also bought into it, making school liturgies cringe.
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Genevieve Gertrude
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IDK. There’s a whole cohort of American boomers who REALLY seem to like the 70s-esque St. Louis Jesuit informal nature of Mass as practiced in that fashion. They might be the only group that can be said to have embraced wholeheartedly the liturgical reforms; the problem is, the rest of the world sees this behavior as utterly cringe and embarrassing LARP on their part, trying to keep the 70s alive forever instead of moving on.
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As I have repeatedly said: Catholics accepted the New Mass.
Catholics never EMBRACED the new Mass. And they likely never will, due to the inherently transient nature of the rubrics.
The rubrics lack a set of constancy, and you can't embrace that which cannot be savored.
Christa Sydney@christasyd
Vatican II deniers genuinely believe that they are the majority voice, like how many levels of delusion do you have to have to not see that the fact that the Novus Ordo and Mass in the vernacular are the norm is proof enough of the universal Catholic acceptance of it.
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@FrDylanSchrader Agree about generational differences in expecations. However, I do have a real question. It is said parishes (or liturgy) don't change overnight, but the stories go that parishes did change very quickly in the 60s and 70s, essentially "overnight." Is that not partially accurate?
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I wonder how the purported generational differences about time perception / delayed gratification affect Catholic parishes. Parishes don't change over night. It takes years and years of continual building. So it also takes people willing to work consistently over the long term.
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@RachelToRome I was lucky. When I was prenant, I was still an ICU pharmacist. Tie-waist scrub bottoms, a cheap maternity tee-shirt, and a lab coat buttoned once over my belly, lol!
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@ravenousreader I guess I’m one of those people who just doesn’t care about this stuff and can’t figure out why so many people are obsessed with it. To each his own, I guess. 🤷♀️
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I called this like 5 years ago.
**hard eye roll**
It’s all so boringly predictable.
Jesse Watters@JesseBWatters
🚨WOAH! RESEARCHERS SAY DOZENS OF CRASHED UFOS HAVE BEEN RECOVERED — WITH FOUR DIFFERENT ALIEN SPECIES ON BOARD 🛸👽 TWO ARMS, TWO LEGS… LONG TAILS LIKE A LIZARD! 7 FEET TALL! 👾 SOURCES ARE TOO SCARED TO TALK… SAYING AN INTERVIEW COULD “FORFEIT THEIR LIFE” 😳💀
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@KatiePMcGrady Kid was scoring 90th %ile in comprehension, but the teacher kept him from recess because he was a slow reader and hadn't achieved "enough points". AR programs are an excuse not to actually teach. We homeschooled after that.
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@KatiePMcGrady When our kids were about that age (9 years ago) and in Catholic school, they didn't have personal Chromebooks. But, we actually removed them from the school partially because of the AR program. We thought the books on the list were not of high quality. (1/2)
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My 3rd grader had both computer lab as an enrichment and a Chromebook in her classroom this year.
The detox from tech that we’d have to do every day last fall drove all of us insane.
So we made a deal in the spring: if the teachers let them have “free play” on the Chromebook (which seemed to be a frequent thing, it wasn’t really being used for actual instruction, it was just busy work/killing time), and if she had a choice of what to do, if she chose to read a book & then complete an AR test instead of playing bottle or doing iReady or scrolling Epic, we’d pay her $2 per book & test.
I‘ve paid out about $120, but my kid’s brain wasn’t mushy after school anymore and her vocabulary & reading comprehension improved so much she jumped 20 points on the Star reading assessment they took at the end of the year.
Miss Sandrist@foreverimbetter
I think they should take chromebooks out of classrooms entirely because they’re glorified tablets. Bring back having computer lab as a class so they know how to save documents to their computer and include typing lessons as well
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@mackerelsnapped @EricRSammons @TaylorRMarshall Thursday is not labeled as Ascension in my diocese. No mention of it at all except from a few trad minded priests who would rather be celebrating the TLM but have been restricted by the bishop.
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@Recusant2013 @EricRSammons @TaylorRMarshall If your diocese made ascension Thursday a HDO then not going to a novus ordo mass is a mortal sin
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To paraphrase my friend @TaylorRMarshall:
If you didn't celebrate the Ascension today, you're not on the team.
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@Kherstyy My parents grew up in a town of 5000 people which is the oldest settlement west of the Mississippi. Everyone was Catholic. But, now that church puts forth feminized guitar Masses. Pastors the last decade have tried, but not a lot of progress toward tradition. Too many boomers.
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The sticks in America are spiritually Protestant, Catholicism has always been more urban and suburban
Producer @ Avoiding Babylon@CatholicRob
The real reason why the surge in Catholic converts seems to be happening really only among the urban "elite" is that it is really only urbanites who have regular access to halfway decent parishes. It's a Catholic wasteland out in the sticks.
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@Rachel4TLM @CatholicRob We live in an area with at least the three decent sized NO parishes in our county, but we won’t attend any of them. It’s still a 2 hour each way drive to the closest TLM or a 40 minute drive the other direction to a NO that is somewhat tolerable.
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@CatholicRob Yes. We live in a state where most people attend Baptist synagogues.
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The real reason why the surge in Catholic converts seems to be happening really only among the urban "elite" is that it is really only urbanites who have regular access to halfway decent parishes. It's a Catholic wasteland out in the sticks.
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@CatholicRob 100% true. It’s changing somewhat in a few rural places, big extremely slowly, and as soon as Fr. Youngtrad gets transferred after 7-10 years, there’s a good chance those parishes either revert back to 1980s or simply stagnate
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@RapidResponse47 @SecKennedy IVF is not pro-life. Exploitation of women and tiny humans for profit, conception outside the marriage act, using pornography to obtain sperm, I could go on and on. It’s an industry that treats life as a manufactured product.
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.@SecKennedy: "I just want to stress what a huge win for the MAHA movement, and for the pro-life movement Moms.gov is. It is one-stop shopping for IVF, for prenatal care, for postnatal care, for nutrition, for baby formula."
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@ShaneSchaetzel Always fascinating how the general population of the US and Europe have still not learned that Muslims are a problem. Of course, few schools teach actual history anymore.
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This is the spread of Christianity through history. Take note how many times Christianity fell back or was nearly wiped out. That’s why I’m NOT convinced this is the end. Our Faith has seen worse times.👇🏻
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@UcheMaryOkoli Not only do I understand, but I think it’s ok to actually say we hate it. I’m not apologizing for it. My teenagers have no youth group events that are actually good because of this charismatic Protestant nonsense. Wish we had moved to a larger city years ago with more options.
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I'm sorry, but the charismatic renewal in the Catholic Church gives me protestant vibes.
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate it.
Not at all. It just gives me protestant vibes.
It is not solemn...it is just everywhere at the same time... Do you understand what I mean?
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@lukei4655 Would be wonderful if there were silence. If you ask most teenagers in the US, they would tell you their Gen X and Millenial youth group leaders fill every second of adoration with Protestant pop music. Yes, the kids would welcome anything close to silence.
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Why do American Catholics seem to expect there to be absolute silence during Eucharistic Adoration? It’s very odd. Coming from a Hispanic culture I can say we always expected it to be quiet but not silent, because there was always a low murmur of whispered prayers.
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@CatholicPods @bazinian_rite I can’t even read the book. I’ve tried to pick it up so many times. I’m about 1/3 of the way through it and rather bored. Someone convince me to slug through the rest.
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Is the 1981 Brideshead Revsisited miniseries the perfect book-to-screen adaptation? We discuss with @bazinian_rite - link below.
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@ravenousreader The area where you currently live was really bad even just 20 years ago. First hand stories of priests getting refused service in local restaurants.
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This is terrible. This is common, or used to be, in the Bible Belt.
We kept our Mary statues in the back yard to prevent them from being stolen and desecrated.
I think it’s gotten better - but first Saturday devotion is a good way to make reparation for this.
Catholic Arena@CatholicArena
There is growing outrage in the Spanish speaking world about a TikTok trend of Evangelicals smashing statues of Our Lady Many Spaniards are comparing the extremists to the actions of ISIS in Palmyra
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@TARSRel0aded @PopePiusIXStan This. And also many diocesan TLMs that managed to somehow survive TC. The ONLY diocesan TLM in my diocese is there because there is an SSPX in the same town. Even before TC, other locations asked for a TLM, but since there was no
Pressure from SSPX, easy for bishop to refuse.
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@PopePiusIXStan The second SSPX is gone, you think the Bishops would hesitate to shut down FSSP and ICKSP??
Have you been missing what’s been happening around the country??
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If Rome is hoping that Tradition dies out, why is it allowing the FSSP and the Institute of Christ the King to exist? And Rome might be willing to give bishops to the SSPX if they would regularize, but they’re not doing it before.
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@oublinkerbro @PopePiusIXStan The SSPX has been requesting for 7 years. That’s hardly demanding. Rome is repeating what it did in 1988, hoping tradition dies with the two remaining bishops.
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@PopePiusIXStan The FSSP and ICK may still exist, but they are ghettoed and since TC can’t expand as easily. Also, I don’t think Rome would be willing to give the SSPX bishops under any circumstance otherwise they would have given the FSSP one already.
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