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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland Irrelevant, as the party with the largest number of seats wins the election so wins mandate to govern and implement its manifesto commitments. SNP is a minority government so it needs SGP's support to pass an indyref bill - SGP's manifesto allows that as it includes independence.

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Me@Naeluckmate·13h

@Scotophile @heraldscotland It matters when they ask for another referendum dipshit. It’s clear that the majority don’t vote for nationalist parties. The SGP manifesto started that a section 30 would be used or ask for further devolution of powers not another referendum. You didn’t read it did you?

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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland You're the one going on about vote share as if the election was a binary referendum and thus mattered. The party with the largest number of seats wins an election, not the losers. SGP's manifesto included independence so it'll back any SNP indyref bill, as it's for independence.

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Me@Naeluckmate·13h

@Scotophile @heraldscotland You’re the one in denial pet.😂😂 And you are taking the election as support for independence stop denying it. You didn’t read the green manifesto did you? They talk about further devolution of powers. Not another referendum.

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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland You're in denial. You can't ignore the fact that SNP and SGP support the EU political union and EUish supranationalism is contrary to Scottish nationalism. I'm not confusing the election with a referendum. SGP had independence in their manifesto so it can support an indyref bill

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Me@Naeluckmate·13h

@Scotophile @heraldscotland I have no interest in your personal nonsense peeve about supranationalism you can give up on that with me. And it seems that actually you are also confusing a multi party multi issue election with a referendum. The greens didn’t even have a referendum in their manifesto.

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@bm24601 @Bill10556177 @Artisans17 @heraldscotland That's fine so long as Scotland is independent thus has the powers to fund its expenditure in the same way. Scotland is not inferior. Your UKish nationalist ideology (UK-rule) is damaging Scotland's economy hence big deficit. Stop deflecting that UK failure onto Scotland-rule.

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BM24601@bm24601·13h

@Scotophile @Bill10556177 @Artisans17 @heraldscotland Maybe the U.K. should stop the £26 billions a year deficit funding & show all the Nats what an IScotland would look like.

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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland UKish nationalist parties have a majority of votes, but losers don't win multi-party elections. You're confusing that with a binary referendum where vote share does count. Read my previous posts and educate yourself about the difference between nationalism and supranationalism.

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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland Never been a Scottish nationalist majority of seats, as SNP and SGP are not Scottish nationalists - they vigorously oppose Scottish nationalism by supporting the EU political union (EUish supranationalism). Seats count in elections (increased), not vote share - same in 2014.

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@scedis_ @Yes_4_Scotland @heraldscotland @DealyPlazaEcho No, you're conveniently choosing to acknowledge only one particular definition that refers to the act of uniting (occurred in 1707) while ignoring another equally valid definition that refers to the condition of being united (existed from 1707 to present day). You're in denial.

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Ian Stewart@scedis_·14h

@Scotophile @Yes_4_Scotland @heraldscotland @DealyPlazaEcho My focus is on the historic facts rather than any dictionary definition. The union in 1707 is the act by which Great Britain was formed – a new name because Great Britain was a new country. Perhaps, as we're clearly not going to agree on this, it's time we agree to disagree.

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@scedis_ @Yes_4_Scotland @heraldscotland @DealyPlazaEcho I'm not disputing what the Lord Advocate said nor the Union with England Act 1707. They only refer to the act of uniting (occurred in 1707), not the condition of being united (existed from 1707 to present day). Why are u ignoring that by only focusing on one of the definitions?

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Ian Stewart@scedis_·16h

@Scotophile @Yes_4_Scotland @heraldscotland @DealyPlazaEcho You don't consult a dictionary to ascertain a legal position.

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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland EU is not a sovereign state. A nation must first become a politically independent sovereign state before it can join the EU political union and be a politically dependent sovereign state. SNP and SGP support EU, but the process involves political independence, which they oppose.

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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland It wasn't nonsense, as SNP and SGP support EU, which is a supranational political union thus contrary to Scottish political independence (Scottish nationalism). Mandate is to request a transfer of powers like in 2014. Vote share is irrelevant, like in 2014. There is a mandate.

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Scotophile 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@Scotophile·15h

@StewartNial @PoundShopBot @heraldscotland No, UK's future is unknown and can't be guaranteed. No-one can change its constitution to get Scotland out of UK, or for any other alternative. So, UK's at any cost and economics is irrelevant to the debate. Scotland's deficit is under UK-rule. You're in denial and running away

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Nial Stewart@StewartNial·16h

@Scotophile @PoundShopBot @heraldscotland "Since economics is irrelevant to the debate" You only want it to be irrelevant. Don't bother, I'm muting this.

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@Naeluckmate @heraldscotland It's not nonsense, I was just seeking clarification. "Nationalist" refers to all nationalists in the world. Besides, the SNP and SGP oppose nationalism in favour of supranationalism. Bills are passed into law by a majority of MSPs, not by a majority of the voting electorate.

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Me@Naeluckmate·16h

@Scotophile @heraldscotland Ignoring the nonsense at the start as you know fine well what I mean. They might have got an extra seat because of their gerrymandering and thanks to reform but looking at vote share fewer voters voted for nationalist parties.

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@StewartNial @PoundShopBot @heraldscotland Since economics is irrelevant to the debate, why are you truly opposing Scotland in favour of UK and why are you falsely masking that with a faux economics argument?

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@StewartNial @PoundShopBot @heraldscotland UK is the 25th largest economy in terms of GDP per capita. Why is wee Norway significantly richer per capita than UK? Why is UK's security "in peril"? Scotland's deficit shows UK-rule is bad for its economy. Economics is irrelevant, anyway, as u blindly support UK at any cost.

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@bm24601 @Bill10556177 @Artisans17 @heraldscotland 2/2 Scotland's deficit shows UK-rule is damaging Scotland's economy - UK can't put Scotland's interests first so its policies are not tailored for Scotland. Why are you deflecting that onto Scotland-rule instead of admitting UK-rule is harming Scotland and addressing the issue?

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