Tower Heretic 🟨⬛

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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛

Tower Heretic 🟨⬛

@TowerHeretic

I want out of this goddamn tower Anarchist We will not be free through the election cycle

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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@Darkest_Granite @amitylee13 Indeed. I wish those types would realize that the reasons they care so much about the culture war are typically downstream of the state and state policy. I think that's the approach libertarians should take with them.
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Lightest_Granite@Darkest_Granite·
The issue is, so often, that those who criticize legitimate libertarians (or principled anarcho-capitalists) only by virtue of their culture/lifestyle are so fanatical and obsessed with the culture war that they do not simply 'choose not to associate' with those they dislike; they outright choose violence against them. x.com/muricafuckya76…
Anonymous Joe@muricafuckya76

@JDVance Your voters are mad that the immigration policies aren’t harsh enough.. all means all

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Amity
Amity@amitylee13·
Funny, I thought Libertarianism was rooted in individuality and letting people live how they want to live, so long as they aren’t hurting anyone else. At least, that’s one of the things I learned from the great Dr. Ron Paul. But what do I know. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Anonymous Joe@muricafuckya76

@amitylee13 @MilsurpMichael Chase and the other fags are ruining the LP

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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@nojumper "I'm going to go meet with a convicted sex trafficker for a 'business deal', this is surely a good idea" ... "How could traditionalist influencers do this to me?!?!"
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No Jumper@nojumper·
Right Wing Influencer Lauren Southern says Andrew Tate r-ped and strangled her in a Bucharest hotel room in 2018 Southern alleges that after Tommy Robinson brought her to Romania for a supposed business opportunity with Tate, Tate sexually assaulted and strangled her in a hotel room. New details include alleged text messages from Southern to Tate afterward, including: "You literally strangled me when I said I didn't want to have sex."
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@liquid2ulu Is it a violation of the NAP to serve people bread that doesn't unsquish itself when you squish it?
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Westin Smith@WestinSmithq·
@LibertytwtC I watched that entire debate. Actually a really good one, worth it bc zulu very cleanly explains the entire thing 500 different ways so you walk away with a much more coherent understanding of how property rights, aggression, and restitution work.
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@NotGovernor Another classic example of people thinking libertarianism means "no judgement, tolerance for everybody"
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Patrick Smith
Patrick Smith@NotGovernor·
Some of this is accurate, but a lot of it is not. - Freedom does come with an exclusion list, namely communists and other people that reject freedom, property, and consent. 1. You can be socially 1950s and be a libertarian just like they can be socially 2026 and be libertarian. You just have to not try and control the other people. 2. People don't have to shut up about it, just like the skittles people don't have to shut up about it. What matters to a libertarian is whose property it's happening on, and what the owners want. 4. This is another sort of irrelevant contradiction. One side says don't shove it in my face and wants people to hide who they are, and the other side often wants to shove it in people's faces and be very loud about who they are, and NONE OF IT is relevant to libertarianism. The only question again is whose property is it happening on, and what do the owners want? 7. Again, irrelevant to libertarianism. One can be absolutely homophobic or absolutely homosexual and still be a libertarian. 6, 8, 9, and 10 seem to be targeting some specific set of minarchists or statists that actually want to ban the gays. So if that's the case, then they're correct. But if they're doing the forced inclusion in same-sex sports or trying to force property owners to let trans people in their bathrooms or other bake-the-cake type stuff, and calling that equal rights, that is also a problem. Generally speaking, people need to stop bringing their ideological baggage from both sides into what is a very simple set of ideas around consent and property.
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Libertytwt Confessions
Libertytwt Confessions@LibertytwtC·
# 952 "Mentis making "culture slop" is what made open to libertarianism and I did the same with my friends. He's doing more than anyone complaining about his lack of theory videos."
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@Lavader_ Anarcho-capitalism is the logical end point of libertarian thinking. There IS an objectively true anarcho-capitalism (legal theory), that's the point, and what sets it apart. Communism was incoherent and contradictory from the start.
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Lavader@Lavader_·
As much as Libertarians like to make fun of Communists for them saying "It wasn't real Communism!" I have been seeing this same exact schism within Libertarian circles. Like how Hoppe called Friedrich Hayek a Social Democrat and not a real Libertarian because Hayek didn't go far enough by Hoppe's taste.
Kelitensis🌲💛🖤💛@Kelitensis

Paleolibertarian literally means "Paleoconservative & Libertarian" All to status quo socially & economically radical right wing What a fucking idiot!

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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@LibertytwtC Liberated from what? Plenty of people think liberation means "liberation from discrimination" and "liberation from inequality"
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Libertytwt Confessions
Libertytwt Confessions@LibertytwtC·
# 932 "A true libertarian recognizes that when everyone is liberated, that includes POC and LGBTQ+ folks."
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@MentisWave Plenty of us understand the difference. The point is that it's a distinction without a difference. If your position is "Consciousness is what makes a human", then you have to contend with the logical consequences of that. I hope you've thought through what they are.
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MentisWave 🐍🚁
MentisWave 🐍🚁@MentisWave·
It also appears to be a check on people who don't understand the difference between embryo selection and murdering a grown person post conscious formation.
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MentisWave 🐍🚁
MentisWave 🐍🚁@MentisWave·
Refusing to cull genetic failures that are doomed to be a drain on society is one of the few cases where religious based traditional values result in higher time preferences.
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@MentisWave I'd like to see the logical syllogism you created to come to the conclusion it's an objectively true statement. You did create one before claiming something is objective, right?
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MentisWave 🐍🚁
MentisWave 🐍🚁@MentisWave·
This post is inadvertently an English comprehension check. Notice how I am not saying if abortion is good or bad ( I am an evictionist if you are wondering ). Just that not evicting the retards is high time preference, which is an objectively true statement.
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@MentisWave You have it backwards. Abortion is the high time preference option. You choose convenience now, and get a society full of guilt that justifies the culling of those they deem a "drain". The boundaries of that will always be tested and pushed in your society.
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Libertytwt Confessions
Libertytwt Confessions@LibertytwtC·
# 923 "There is a libertarian case to be made for TND."
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@FakeTaxedBrass Every single time trans people exist in any significant numbers in a movement, the #1 issue on the table becomes transgenderism. Same with gays, it becomes their nonstop party. They have a tendency to make Popperesque tolerance statements and don't understand free association
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TaxedBrass@FakeTaxedBrass·
Transgenders aren't alone in this btw, there's a few different groups of people you have to gatekeep against, and for the most part what they have in common is they'll trade the movement's growth and success for their ability to get a boner.
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TaxedBrass@FakeTaxedBrass·
The problem with trying to grow a movement by recruiting troons is it will always backfire. Transgenders, once in a community, select exclusively for people who affirm their autogynephillia, and will persecute anyone who does not, the original goals of the movement be damned.
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Kraut
Kraut@The_Davos_Man·
>Doesn't know how AK mag release works >Doesn't know how AK safety selector works >No trigger discipline >Doesn't know how to check if a round is chambered How has this idiot not accidentally shot himself or others yet?
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@LibertytwtC Disagree but there sure seems to be a lot of trans people who get into anarchism because they think it means tolerance for everybody and no judgement or something
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Libertytwt Confessions
Libertytwt Confessions@LibertytwtC·
# 905 "I think "ancap" trannies should just become communists at this point, you will never be welcome here anyway, and you will never be a woman."
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@WestinSmithq I like how he didn't even make a "but who will build the roads" argument but literally just said "the state is perfect and beautiful and ethical and makes you free :3 death to the chuddy individual" Hegel is an embarrassment to philosophy
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Tower Heretic 🟨⬛
Tower Heretic 🟨⬛@TowerHeretic·
@KasimirFreeman Makes sense, thanks. Does this apply to time-based claims as well? For example, I don't see how AE covers a claim like "I need to aggress now to prevent aggression later" or similar arguments for aggression Just trying to get a better picture of the limits of AE
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Kasimir
Kasimir@KasimirFreeman·
Any claim to Justice implies universality, an appeal to some standard that applies to both parties and can be discovered as true for one and false for the other, irrespective of their martial ability. Claiming that someone is justified to do something in a particular manner, ignoring a universal standard, can be demonstrated as reduced to that person's arbitrary identity and a personal preference: a whim, rather than an appeal to reality. One way to demonstrate the problem with using whims as arguments is that the other party can also make the same claim for itself, and there is no way to choose between them. "Crusoe is justified in stealing from Friday, but Friday is not justified in stealing from Crusoe" is not just arbitrary on its face, but also gets countered by the opposite statement: "Friday is justified in stealing from Crusoe, but Crusoe is not justified in stealing from Friday". There is no basis of evaluation, so any decision reduces to the reality of someone being stronger, rather than someone's argument being distinct and true.
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Kasimir
Kasimir@KasimirFreeman·
Argumentation Ethics (AE) applies in a very particular case: Universal claims attempting to Justify aggression as a legal claim within a direct or hypothetical third party arbitration. Claims that escape from this limit have their own defeaters unrelated to AE. 1. Justification in Law is an appeal to a third party arbiter in a disagreement between two others, where it is made via logically consistent arguments communicated to the arbiter. 2. Justification must be universal* and thus apply not just to some particular perspectives, but to all relevant perspective in all similar situations and times. It MUST necessarily apply to a first person perspective**. 3. Justification of aggression is attempted in the context of law and therefore must be knowable and must apply in the first person perspective, which makes the speaker Entangled in the argument. 4. Since the speaker is entangled, the truth of the claim includes the very action they are taking in asserting the claim in Law, and therefore they cannot escape being in performative contradiction: claiming aggression is preferable, while acting like aggression is not-preferable. 5. A claim stated in performative contradiction, where the speaker is entangled in the truth of the claim, has the status of a Non-Statement. (ex; "No true statements exist" = non-statement). Conclusion: Aggression cannot be universally justified within argumentation, because justification requires speaker entanglement into a preference for non-aggression. Explanation: * Non-Universal "Justification" collapses into arbitrary statements that cancel each other out in conradictions (both sides say "I'm justified, but the other side isn't"). ** The claim "A is justified to do X" must be defensible in the first person "I am justified to do X" because otherwise it is Non-Universal and arbitrary AND it cannot guide agent action (the alleged prescription cannot be repeated in the first person). Next time you want to debate, just ask for the positive case before you spend time on silly graphics and strawman arguments.
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Attharv - McNuke/acc 🚀@Absolutemadlado

Some Brief Comments on Hoppe's Justification of the Private Property Ethic (In David's own words) The argument, as I understand it, takes the following form. 1. If belief in a proposition is inconsistent with being able to defend it argumentatively, the proposition is false. 2. In order to argue about the truth of proposition we must have absolute self ownership and ownership of scarce means, defined in objective, physical terms and obtained via homesteading. Therefore 3. The denial of a libertarian ethic is false. So far as I can see, both 1 and 2 are false. With regard to 1, consider the proposition "One should never argue about what people should do." Belief in it is inconsistent with defending it argumentatively, but that tells us nothing at all about whether it is true or false. One could even imagine someone who did not believe in the proposition constructing a valid argument proving that it was true, although he would presumably stop speaking as soon as he had completely convinced himself. As to 2, note that if it is literally true nobody, including Hoppe, has ever argued about the truth of propositions, since there are no completely libertarian societies in which they could do so. That is obviously not true--and neither is the proposition from which it follows. One can think of an enormous number of non-libertarian ethics and non-libertarian societies consistent with people being able to argue in their defense. Consider an ethic according to which people have absolute ownership over half their waking hours, and are obliged to spend the rest working for others--eight hours a day is enough time for quite an extensive philosophical argument. Or consider an ethic according to which we are obliged to spend all our time working for others, but defending that ethic classifies as working for others. As a final example, consider an ethic according to which there are no rights at all; everyone is morally free to coerce everyone else whenever he can get away with it, but many people succeed in defending themselves well enough so that they control much of their own time. According to their ethic they have no right to self ownership, nor to anything else, but they have physical control over themselves and are therefore able to make arguments. One might plausibly claim that this comes close to describing the world we now live in. The extension of 2 to cover not only self-ownership but libertarian property rights as well, and even a particular libertarian theory of what property rights are like and how they are acquired, is if anything still less defensible--almost pure assertion, unleavened by argument. One can think of lots of other systems of property rights that would work at least well enough to keep some people alive to argue philosophy. Hoppe has somehow skipped from "your ethic must allow you to live" to "your ethic must do the best possible job of letting people live" to "you must accept Hoppe's preferred form of libertarianism" (via "Hoppe's preferred form of libertarianism does the best possible job of letting people live"). Counter-examples include all societies that have existed for as long as one generation, since in all such societies people did in fact live long enough to grow up and argue philosophy, and none of them were pure libertarian societies. David Friedman "The Trouble with Hoppe," Liberty 2.2 (Nov. 1988): 44. Reprinted by permission.

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