Arnorian
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Arnorian
@arnorian1
Analyzing league since the dawn of the Second Age. I like running the numbers on builds. 🇵🇹
Katılım Temmuz 2021
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@MoleculeLOL Oh, and BC also reduces your Giant Slayer value, completely forgot about that, here's how it should actually look:
desmos.com/calculator/mgf…
The extra AH is nice yeah, but I don't think it salvages the item. I think if you go Kraken (or any other crit mythic) you should go for IE.
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@MoleculeLOL desmos.com/calculator/w3q…
Not sure if I'm the biggest fan of BC, these calculations are kind of scuffed because they're assuming you're getting Carve stacks from ult waves alone, but you can see how it's not really competitive vs. GB/IE until 4+ stacks.
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Overlaps between them. Blue is IE and red is LDR + 10AD just to see. Number is dmg %
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Does MF need IE 3rd > LDR? As the Zeri/Sivir IE lover I think this one is actually either way. LDR with Q and R is just more dmg to most targets. Autos are still IE favoured and you just need to decide which you'll do more. But in pro you're just an ult bot so maybe LDR>?
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@MoleculeLOL desmos.com/calculator/lcc…
Hurts your AA damage a bit too much imo, surprisingly decent for ult damage (crit scaling is worse than I remembered). But you're also kind of griefing your inventory with annoying purchase points and very little flexibility for no considerable upside.
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@arnorian1 MF super hyped before worlds into not much prio XD
And for LW into IE, you'd have to compare IE vs LW+BF+Pickaxe, I haven't looked at the math for this certain path so maybe it's booty
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@MoleculeLOL Also, I check twitter after a few weeks of inactivity and it almost felt like I went back in time to one year ago haha. I wonder if we'll even see lethality MF this year though, hopefully not.
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@MoleculeLOL >Maybe it's LW->IE->LDR after Kraken + x. That could be the tech
Big no-no from me. Delaying IE by 1450g just so you can hold a garbage component just sounds like an awful idea.
desmos.com/calculator/exm…
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@MetroArcher @MoleculeLOL Infernal dragon is actually neutral, but you're absolutely correct about GS and AF.
What matters is the weight 40 extra AD has on your tAD, but infernal works as a tAD multiplier so all breakpoints are the same.
E.g.
(100+40)/100 = 1.04(100+40)/1.04(100)
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@MoleculeLOL Also worth noting here, factors that increase the ad (like absolute focus/gatheringstorm/infernal dragons) favour LDR more since part of the big power of IE is the raw 70 ad it gives, so if you have high amounts of ad, that 40 ad difference wont pay off as much.
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Zeri/Sivir 3rd item, IE or LDR //:://
- Many people go LDR 3rd and I think it's wrong
- Since 12.10 the HP part of LDR matters more than Armour for this comparison, but every tank is building FH now and lacking huge HP
- I compare the DMGs of the 2 and components and onwards
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@JustRecentlyI Regarding the cookies nerf, it's important to remember the context; all early consumables' hp regen was nerfed by 20%.
Funnily enough, this may add relative value to cookies, as the extra sustain becomes preferable even in its nerfed state. I'm still looking at this in games.
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@JustRecentlyI I still hold the same view; FM is too circumstantial to ever call it required. For bot it's especially suicidal since you don't have so much lane control over 2v2 dynamics.
If you're finding yourself having mana issues then I see no reason not to go cookies/PoM instead.
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@arnorian1 I just found your Future's Market vs Biscuits rune discussion post (redd.it/oljhm1), but since Biscuits have been nerfed since then I'm wondering if you still support Biscuits over FM for an Inspiration secondary (after free Boots)?
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@Kiea_Tash @DuulMaths @Devilpiotr1 @MoleculeLOL @_Beora @EragonUK @_Gutex_ Thank you so much for the shoutout!
I'm a bit ashamed of gaining new followers despite being inactive for the past months though, I'll show some signs of life soon enough.
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Thought I'd make a small list of some of the lesser known guys I've come across that post interesting league things.
Always something new to learn from them.
@arnorian1
@DuulMaths
@Devilpiotr1
@MoleculeLOL
@_Beora
@EragonUK
@_Gutex_
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@JayenseeLoL @MoleculeLOL But it fails to account for ease of application and total potential damage. Gwen will apply several more hits of her passive in any realistic scenario than Mordekaiser will. It's about as useful of a benchmarker as Karthus' ult.
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@arnorian1 @MoleculeLOL The morde comparison is just to put into perspective what the %hp dmg is.
.8% per 100 ap isn't very clear.
It's flat 40% ap vs targets with 5k hp.
Gwen has it against targets with 5k hp, Morde has it against all targets from lvl 1.
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Is deathcap on Gwen really bad or not. I have seen differing opinions around mainly due to her utilizing cosmic, hourglass and morello very well? I looked at some math and her %Hp dmg is so cracked that dcap always looks insane on the numbers. Hard champ to calculate
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@MoleculeLOL @JayenseeLoL I want to believe the changes are just tentative because there's no way they've nerfed champion-specific healing enough to make up for the insane GW nerf.
But yeah if playing against something like a Sylas or Vlad I'd rather see a Gwen take ignite TP and go Cosmic 3rd.
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@arnorian1 @JayenseeLoL Im 99% sure GW is giga bad now. It feels stupidly weak, I think shit like sylas/vlad can heal through lanes too easily rn
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@JayenseeLoL @MoleculeLOL But yeah, of course it lacks utility, and in several games you'll be much better served with Cosmic for extra stickiness, or Zhonyas when stopwatch is gigavaluable.
Also, I'm not sure if Morellos should be a thing after the GW changes. Ignite should be taken if GW is mandatory.
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@JayenseeLoL @MoleculeLOL I wasn't here for the main discussion, but if anyone claims DCap is a bad item on Gwen because of bad AP scaling they're out of their minds. The %hp scaling is absolutely nuts and the main reason Gwen is a champion. That alone makes DCap the best damage option at 3+ items.
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@MoleculeLOL @MetroArcher @Devilpiotr1 Don't think you necessarily need lots of melees to make Runaans work, just clumped team comps are enough.
Important to remember that Runaans scales with range, it's really easy to get value out of it during W windows, and W procs are what you want to maximize in any fight.
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@MetroArcher @Devilpiotr1 Hurricane is fine vs many melee but people will stop picking 3-4 melee vs kog. And then it's just not worth it for Kog to buy but people keep doing it blindly lmao
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@MoleculeLOL Adding to that, enchanters have taken over the support role...
Nevertheless, this shouldn't mean much for LDR's winrate as a 2nd item. The reason why the item isn't optimal as a 2nd slot is independent of all that.
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@MoleculeLOL Ehh I'm not even too sure that we're seeing "way more tanks" since last patch. I guess in the jungle Shyvana, Trundle, Zac and Udyr have seen a slight increase in pickrate (moderate in Shyvana's case), but dedicated tanks like Sion and Malph are now less popular, Ornn is neutral.
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Pls read the replies. I do not think LDR is bad.This is just this to show a problem of looking only at winrates. LDR will be buffed again next patch (is my hunch think they thought WR so bad it was bugged) but who am I to say if they are right or wrong
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It's only soloq but LDR is getting it's face stomped by collector. In general every LDR user took hits but the gap between collector and LDR is lowkey disgusting. Granted collector WR snowball buff and LDR always shit WR because turbo behind players build it to deal with bruisers
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@MoleculeLOL 35 AD LDR was turbo-broken before, I can't imagine them going back to it now without further reduction of the %pen.
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@arnorian1 No idea what numbers they are monitoring. Just the fact they said it's really really bad. Maybe they don't understand the item well. Not sure lol But i'd be happy with a nice 5/10AD buff and still see pros go collector second T_T
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