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M8trixglitch(🌮,🌮)
@M8trixglitch
Free range human on a government tax farm.
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@KimballCall This was my favorite way to deal with hostile evangelicals on the mission. It’s good because it’s mostly bridge building but If they decide to push the issue they realize how shaky the ground is beneath their feet is.
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I’m on my mission. A young evangelical couple (old gray dots we were texting, ifykyk) tells me and my companion they would love to do an evening zoom lesson.
We jump on and quickly realize they just want to bash us. But it’s Covid (December 2021) and we’re bored. Plus we are YSA missionaries in an area with no college and we’re desperate for someone to teach.
The couple makes the case that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can’t be true because we don’t teach the correct method of salvation.
I ask, “well what do believe you have to do to be saved?”
They say something along the lines of , “Believe in Christ and accept Him as your Lord and Savior, being born again in Him.”
Over the next 30 minutes, we used the BOM to show how the Restored Gospel met each of their own stated requirements for salvation.
I argued that if our gospel fulfilled their requirements for salvation, there couldn’t possibly be a problem, right?
They tried to argue that our faith would still damn us because it taught us to believe in “the wrong Jesus.”
I asked them to show me from the Bible where it said that believing in “the correct Jesus” was a requirement for Salvation.
My next question was going to be to ask them to point to verses that proved we worshipped the wrong Jesus, but they couldn’t even answer my first question.
Visibly frustrated, they tried to testify that we would still be damned. I again asked “why?” If we believe in all the same basic requirements for salvation, except we add on the importance of the Biblical concepts of repentance, baptism, and priesthood ordinances, how could we possibly be damned?
“Because you’re going too far,” was essentially their argument.
We shared Omni 1:26 as our closing argument and ended the call.
Ever since then, the debate between evangelicals and Latter-day Saints has seemed trivial to me. It’s just not even fair how easy it is.
But I will always be grateful that this couple debated in good faith and integrity.
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@ScottPresler @GuyRochford That’s on thune not on anyone listed
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@GuyRochford I’m angry they won’t pass the SAVE America Act.
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BREAKING
Senator Ted Cruz revealed on his podcast that 4 Senators are P*SSED:
▪️Bill Cassidy
▪️Thom Tillis
▪️John Cornyn
▪️Rand Paul
From President Trump’s endorsements to losing elections, each of these Senators — according to Cruz — is angry.
With a 53-47 majority, we can’t afford to lose 4 votes & this will complicate how we move forward.
Source: Verdict with Ted Cruz
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@ConceptualJames The election was pretty close to 50/50 are you saying half the party is woke right?
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@mfreivald I never said I don’t understand. I have actually asked this question to dozens of protestants over the last 20 years. They always choke and resort to metaphorical explanations. It’s not a gotcha it’s Jesus very plainly teaching something. It just clashes with your theology.
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I'm sorry you don't understand. You won't get an answer that way. It would just be an endless argument of, "No, it means this!," and "No! it doesn't mean that, it means this."
It would actually prove my point since it would not resolve and my position is that there are many possible interpretations, while the Mormons/LDS tend to insist it can only be their interpretation, but it would not be worth the time and energy to get there.
Like I said--it was bait. It was a rhetorical trick intended to derail the focus of the conversation.
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There are multiple examples I've given of late regarding how mormonism/LDS seems to be in an all-out war against meaning.
They use the word "gatekeeper" in an attempt to prevent anyone attributing meaning to Christianity.
They cherrypick modern diluted usages of words like "Christian" to deny the essence of what a Christian is. (And they deny other modern diluted usages of words when it conveniences them.)
They continuously use doublespeak to refer to things with words that they know don't mean the same to them than when they use them--and they evade any attempt to pin down that meaning. For example, they say their gods are "eternal" when they know Christians go beyond material to mean outside of time, and they further know that they *became* gods, and were not eternally (before time or even infinitely in the past) gods.
They often refuse to examine the implications of what they mean, rejecting any meaningful analysis and avoiding the true meaning. They explicitly say their gods are distinct beings, but won't examine the fact that it means they are limited beings, not infinite ones.
They routinely filter all argumentation through their religion's materialist theology, refusing to acknowledge what other theologies mean, and imposing their false materialistic rules upon them. The Trinity cannot exist in their stunted materialist minds.
And here's another example (linked) where they hypocritically deny sola scriptura while trying to force others to adhere to it and making claims that their interpretation of the Bible trumps any other possible interpretation, completely ignoring the other possible intentions (meaning) of the authors.
They are truly at war with meaning. Is it any wonder they are so incoherent?
True to the Faith@TrueTTFaith
@mfreivald @Supremedud @ThoughtfulSaint So why aren't the Apostles part of the Trinity when Jesus prays that they will become one even as he and the Father are one? If this is about essence, why are they not then considered God?
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@mfreivald What better place to answer this than a discussion on the Trinity?
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It is a good question--for another conversation. But in this conversation he was using it to evade and derail it from the language and meaning being the subject to an argument over interpretation of a specific thing--which was part of the problem being addressed.
I didn't take the bait, and his hypocrisy for turning toward sola scriptura and imposition of personal interpretation is clearly apparent.
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@natemaklocklin Surrogates are typically paid money to hand over the kid she carried. It’s contractual human trafficking with a nice label.
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@M8trixglitch Are you….. suggesting….. adoption…. Is human….. trafficking???
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@bryan_johnson @AutismCapital It’s faith not prayer that gives the benifits. You should already know this.
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@AutismCapital It's kinda been funny as I've fumbled about. Do I use words, or feel emotions, ask for things, express gratitude, expect something?
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I've been praying the past few weeks. Unsure why.
There's good evidence behind prayer. It mimics breathwork, calming the nervous system, dropping cortisol, and quieting the brain. Daily prayers show lower depression, anxiety, and pain.
I'd like to develop a prayer practice. Growing up, the protocol was written for me. Explaining whom to pray to, the structure of the prayer, and the boundary conditions.
I don't really know how to pray now.
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@surskitmaxxing Yes we should really send them to college where they can be exposed to malignant marxists teaching sociology or whatever.
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I really disagree with sending missionaries out at 18. It’s effective for giving the church the results it wants, but with the kinds of mental health issues young people experience so much these days, it’s kind of like throwing young people into a meatgrinder. Not to mention…
Joel M. Curzon@JoelMCurzon
The Mormon Teenage-Indoctrination Program grows. That’s mostly what this is. LDS missions are now intended to permanently capture 18-year-olds before they have a chance to be away from home and think for themselves. (It doesn’t always work.)
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@bobby_halstead @theojaffee @pmarca Hudson Bay company and a hotel in walla walla? This is so bad it has to be the work of AI.
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In your LDS dreams, you did. Yes, there were a lot of very brave, hard working Mormons that made their way to the SL valley, and they expanded out from there. But by no means were Mormons the major players in the exploration and settlement of the west. There wasn’t a Mormon on the Lewis-Clark expedition (I wonder why🤔, oh yeah 👍) There were no Mormons in the Hudson Bay company. The missionaries most responsible for settling WA and OR were Marcus Whitman (beautiful hotel in Walla Walla named after him), and Jason Lee. Not Mormons. Mormons got off the Oregon trail in UT 🤷♂️
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I was wondering why the Mormons decided to settle in Utah rather than going all the way west to California, which was still largely uninhabited before the gold rush of 1848.
Turns out they actually did consider this, and Mormon pioneer Sam Brannan led 238 Mormons to Yerba Buena (now San Francisco) in 1846, actually making SF a Mormon-majority city for a year or two. Brannan arrived in California a year before the first Mormons arrived in Utah.
In 1847, Brannan met with Mormon leader Brigham Young to urge him to bring the Mormons to California, but Young refused because California was too desirable and they wouldn't be able to maintain a stable Mormon demographic majority.
Young was right. Utah remained majority Mormon until around 2007, while California was swamped by Gold Rush settlers starting in 1848 and is only ~2% Mormon today.
As an early settler, landowner, and proprietor in California, Brannan ended up becoming enormously wealthy. He was the first to popularize the Gold Rush through his newspaper, and became the backstory behind “in a gold rush, sell shovels” when he bought up the state’s entire supply of picks, pans, and shovels to sell them to gold speculators. He also created SF’s first private vigilante group to stamp out crime and made Napa Valley a popular tourist destination when he founded the town of Calistoga. Brannan Street in Soma is named after him.
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@ShelB00000 @NERV2nd @theojaffee Probably, he settled in the bear lake Idaho area and as a polygamist he had a lot of kids.
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@bobby_halstead @theojaffee @pmarca We settled most of west you clown and also we didn’t get sucked into the civil war which was a huge blessing.
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@theojaffee @pmarca They ended up in Utah, because they got their asses kicked every where they tried to settle.
Local people not big fans of Joseph Smith.
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@EndoceneHunter @theojaffee Yeah that’s what happens when you lose a war. What’s an indigenous Mexican? An Aztec that was enslaved by a Spaniard?
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@theojaffee And by uninhabited this person means devoid of northern Europeans.
Because, believe it or not, the native indigenous, Mexicans and Spanish thst called California home were numerous, owning land, living in Spanish named cities and towns, working fields, growing economically.
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@theojaffee Mormons tried to come to Southern California, settling around San Bernardino and Big Bear Mountain. This resulted in gunfights and the locals eventually pushed them out.
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@NERV2nd @theojaffee Charles C Rich was the founder of San Bernardino he’s my 6th great Grandfather.
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@Gwendolynvee @RyanHogrefe I guess it back to cold emailing people pretending to be a rich prince for you.
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@RyanHogrefe Yall don’t realise how d*umb you sound when you do this…….
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My son has had a huge crush on this girl he has 2 classes with, the entire school year. He’s 6’2, and she’s actually 6ft and Greek and I’ve had to hear all school year about this tall Greek Goddess he has a crush on. He finally works up the courage to talk to her a few weeks back and she tells him she’s had a crush too. He invites her to breakfast and does a bunch of chores last week to earn the money from me to take her. FAST FORWARD to their date today…
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@becca_begotten @IslaGalapago0 @RalphCHancock You don’t know the thousands of mentally ill trans people and yet you declare “born that way”
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@IslaGalapago0 @RalphCHancock I don’t believe we’ve met.
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The problem with radical acceptance in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:
Although there is no movement that is immune to moral drift, we as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints need to do better at recognizing movements and sentiments that are not compatible with our shared faith.
Could you imagine devout followers of Jesus Christ during his mortal ministry promoting the idea that God does not care if you continue in sin or reject his teachings as long as it makes you happy? That the most important thing to God is that you are free to “express yourself” in a way that is praised by the secular world? Even if at its core it is a denial of God’s divine hand in creation of the spirit and body?
It is obvious that Jesus Christ would teach that we should not judge those that have gender dysphoria, but that is only half the story. He would teach those with gender dysphoria that He loves them, but also that gender is an eternal and immutable characteristic that should not, and more importantly cannot, be changed or altered. We should love those that are confused, but we should not encourage, support, or promote confusion. The Family Proclamation is doctrine and the Lord’s revealed answers for questions regarding gender identity, same-sex marriage, and those that seek to identify as transgender. These are not open questions in the faith and they are not subject for debate. They have been settled for thousands of years.
Without fully getting into the weeds this post, I’d like to ask why those who claim to be devout members such as Richard Ostler (@Papa_Ostler) would be reposting the Salt Lake Tribune’s (@sltrib) article about “LGBTQ latter-day saints” trying to find space within the church to live outside the bounds the Lord has set? Would those same members repost a puff piece about a middle-aged man seeking to find space within the church to worship multiple deities at the same time? Probably not. They would recognize that practice as a rejection of one of God’s fundamental teachings, yet they are unable to draw the same conclusion about promoting the LGBTQ movement, especially the transgender movement. According to God’s teachings, there is no such thing as a “transgender” individual, there are individuals who are confused about an essential part of their identity. They need our love and support, but both of those should be grounded in supporting and encouraging them to live according to God’s law, not participating in the game of pretend that the modern left has engaged in. This is another example of the subversion of Christlike love into a modern, and secular, idea of inclusion. If we are to love as Christ did, we ought to start by both living and teaching the principles that He teaches.
There is room for all to come unto Christ and we want everyone to feel welcome at church and other social gatherings, but that does not require members to pretend that God’s laws are not eternal and that individual’s feelings supersede God’s laws and teachings.
As for policies regarding bathroom usage and other sensitive areas, the feelings of the women who use them should be what is taken into account. It is not transphobic to state the reality that there are only two genders and that one's gender is eternal and that is what dictates who can use what facility. Though an individual may struggle with that identity, it is far more loving to encourage them to live according to the truth.
The article by the Salt Lake Tribune contains several logical fallacies, misrepresentations, and a willful ignorance of basic church doctrine. The most egregious of which is likely the claim that there is no scriptural basis for the belief that you cannot change your gender (a biological fact) or for the belief that engaging in homosexual activity is sinful. Both of these claims are unequivocally false and I would invite all of those that reposted this article to explain why modern liberalism should supersede revelation and scripture? I would hope that those that engage in this activity in good faith will come to see that it should not, and in turn, do more to keep modern secularism out of Christ’s church.

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@TruthfulguyGuy @BasedSamParker 90/10 was 5 bucks a pound at Costco business center yesterday.
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@BasedSamParker Lean ground beef was 11.99 a pound at Publix last night!
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This week, top sirloin steak was "on sale" at my local grocer for $12.99/lb. Just 6 months ago, the typical sale price was $7.99/lb. They're skyrocketing beef prices on purpose. They want us malnourished, fat, sick, docile & dead.
Steven Franssen@SteveFranssen
Ground beef just hit $7/lb. nationwide. And Trump is talking about selling American farmland to the Chinese government. MAGA is dead. It was a big grift.
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