sam

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sam

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@sam64671033

View my Substack on refutations of common misconceptions about Islam: https://t.co/4JWwYNO2nk

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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo Aisha was post-pubescent at consummation. She said: 'When a girl reaches nine, she becomes a woman.' You're judging 7th-century Arabia by 21st-century standards.
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sugnerhan@swengsbelike·
@sam64671033 @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo I did not ignore his other marriages, his other marriages has nothing to do with the reality and fact that it was never in history normal or accepted for an over 50 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old child, it is depraved, him banging other old women does not change that
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo As for Ezekiel 16:7-8 God describes 'marrying' Israel when she had just reached puberty. Ruth asks Boaz to 'spread the corner of your garment over me' (a marriage proposal) when she was of marriageable age. By your standard, that would make God a pedophile and Boaz a predator.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo If you're going to call him a predator, you have to explain why he spent 25 years with a woman 15 years older than him, and why most of his wives were widows.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo It does matter. You called him a predator. A predator has a pattern. His pattern is not young girls it's widows, divorcees, and older women. One marriage to Aisha was to a younger woman, and that was after puberty by the standards of her time. The rest were to older women.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo And as I stated before: allowing something doesn't mean you must do it. Islam doesn't command cousin marriage- it permits it. And in Islam, both parents are supposed to get genetic screening and medical checks to assess any potential risks before marriage.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo Again, most children born from cousin marriages are healthy. Yes, there is a small increased risk -but 'most of the time it's alright' is accurate. Studies show the absolute risk increase is about 2-3%, not a guaranteed curse.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo Do you believe God cursed Israel? If not, then your argument is inconsistent. You can't have it both ways. Either cousin marriage is cursed for everyone (including the Bible) or it's not cursed at all. Pick one.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo Now, if the curse is on cousin marriage itself, then Jacob and Leah (first cousins), Jacob and Rachel (first cousins), and Isaac and Rebekah (first cousins) are all cursed. That means the twelve tribes of Israel are cursed.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo You said God curses the children of cousin unions. But the Prophet ﷺ had no children with Zaynab- so no curse there. Then you moved the goalpost and said the curse is on those who follow his example. That's a completely different argument.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo And regarding 'Muhammad only married young' - you said: 'a 50-year-old man having sex with a 9-year-old child was never in history seen as accepted You ignored all his other marriages to older women and widows So yes, you implied that this one marriage defines him, which is false
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sugnerhan@swengsbelike·
@sam64671033 @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo I do not make the rules, god makes the rules. and the rules of god show us that children from blood related first-cousin unions are cursed. if your prophet was a true prophet then god would have told him "do not do it, your followers will suffer".. but of course he is false
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo As for your claim about 'low IQ, high aggression'- that's not theology, that's eugenics. And it's false. Studies show first-cousin marriage has a small increased risk (2-3%), not a guaranteed curse. You're confusing genetics with divine punishment.*
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo You keep changing your argument. First, you said God curses children of cousin unions. Then you said the Prophet having no children with Zaynab is proof of a curse. Now you're saying the curse affects those who follow him. Make up your mind
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo And in the Book of Ruth, Ruth asks Boaz to 'spread the corner of your garment over me' -a marriage proposal- when she was of marriageable age
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sugnerhan@swengsbelike·
@sam64671033 @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo does not change the fact that a 50 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child was never in history seen as accepted or common. it was a depraved act that is not excused by time
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo 'never accepted or common in history,' then by your same standard, Ezekiel 16:7-8 is pedophilic. God describes 'marrying' Israel when she had just reached puberty and was 'old enough for love.'*
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo You just said God curses children of cousin unions- but the Prophet ﷺ had no children with Zaynab. So where is the curse? You're contradicting yourself. Jacob and his cousins Leah and Rachel? They had many children- the twelve tribes of Israel. Did God curse them too?
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sugnerhan@swengsbelike·
@sam64671033 @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo these are the genetics that god gave us, the genetics that curses the children who follow mohammad in regards to his union with zaynab, or the inbred spanish hadburgs. god gave mohammad the ultimate curse, they had no children at all. that is correct.
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo You said the Prophet only married young. I proved you wrong. He married a woman 25 years older and stayed with her for 25 years. That's not a predator. That's a faithful husband. You're jumping from topic to topic, ignoring evidence, and insulting me
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sugnerhan@swengsbelike·
@sam64671033 @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo also yes god curses their children, that is why a lot of royalty were messed up and look disfigured, because they were children of blood related first cousin unions. it was a practice they did to keep power within their family and they paid for it by god's wrath
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo In that case, there are verses in the Bible where people were cousins and had children -so did God curse them too? Jacob married his cousins Leah and Rachel (Genesis 29). Did god curse them too?
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sam@sam64671033·
@swengsbelike @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo On Virgin Mary: I am not saying anyone had sex with Mary. I am saying she was impregnated (by divine will) at around 12 years old. If we apply presentism- judging the past by today's standards- doesn't that make it wrong by your logic?
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sugnerhan@swengsbelike·
@sam64671033 @TRIK0T0 @PrimeVideo who are you talking about, you're talking about the VIRGIN mary? no one had sex with mary. why are you talking about that? even if someone did have sex with mary, we have erased this person's identity from history, if we can do the same with mohammad then we have a deal. ok?
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