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@Fair_and_Biased This sign is for all brands of Christians btw:

I’ve been talking about Mormons for 2 days – not by my own choice. Mike Lee brought the debate into the spotlight. (I don’t blame him – that’s his belief). I stand by my views, BUT let me say this: I believe they’re closer to the kingdom than a “progressive Christian” in a mainline denomination who claims to follow Christian teaching while being utterly ashamed of scripture and trying to twist it to justify culturally popular sin. While I believe Mormons to be wrong in adhering to Joseph Smith’s teachings, it is at least clear that many are sincere and committed to godly principles. I can’t say the same about the “progressive Christians.”

@byzantinecopt Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose. You’re just playing identity politics. Trinitarians trying to gate-keep Christianity with a creed is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham.

anyone who rejects the nicene creed is not a christian.

@AurelianSpeaks Saying someone is Christian is not antithetical to being a different denomination of Christianity. I’m amazed at how many Christians don’t understand basic grammar.

Joseph Smith, founder of the LDS church, infamously claimed all Christians before Mormons were part of the “Great Apostasy.” I’m amazed at how many Mormons don’t know their own basic church history.

@lisavsworld @CHS_Seminary Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose. You’re just playing identity politics. Anyone trying to gate-keep Christianity with **anything** is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham.

@CHS_Seminary We do. Mormonism came later.

Take the L, dude. You're not a Christian. You don't HAVE to be a Christian. Until a couple of decades ago, your religion openly stated it wasn't. Imagine if people were out here practicing Hinduism and whining over not being Christian because one of their many Gods is Jesus. That's you right now.

@Camila_Rocha Anyone trying to gate-keep Christianity with **anything** is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham. Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose. Anything else is identity politics.

Christianity begins with one confession and the proclamation of the Good News: that Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God and the Redeemer of mankind, is God incarnate. Christ is not a creature elevated to divinity. Neither He is a spirit progressing toward godhood. Not one god among many. He is the eternal Word through whom all things were made. For two thousand years, this is the truth the Apostles preached, what the martyrs died for, what the Fathers defended, and what the Church proclaimed at Nicaea against the Arians. Mormon theology teaches that Christ is a created being and that man may himself become a god. Yet this is the very temptation whispered in the Garden of Eden: ‘You shall be as gods.’ (Genesis 3:5) The consequence is the result of the Fall. It is exile and the enduring suffering of a life that longs for His love and for the presence of the Creator. The Serpent tempted the creature to desire the throne of the Creator. The finite reaches for the Infinite and forgets that it is dust. The truth makes one Christian. Christianity possesses a definition received from the Apostles and preserved through the centuries. It is not something that can be reinvented by a new prophet in nineteenth-century New York. The Book of Mormon is another testament, by title, that rejects and contradicts the teachings of the Christian faith. And Scripture has already spoken on that matter: ‘But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.’ (Galatians 1:8) If one wants to become a Christian, reject the false testament and the heresies it contains, and embrace the fullness of the faith.

@Digital_Heretyk @PapistPilled *engages identity politics* “Why do people hate when I am judgmental?”

@PapistPilled Mormons are absurd. People get so bent out of shape when i say i refuse to acknowledge them as Christians at all. How can you look at anything they believe and even think it is remotely close?

Mormons are not Christians. They follow a false prophet and gospel They do not believe in the Trinity They believe God the Father was once a man They do not recite the Nicene Creed They believe man can become a god

@PapistPilled Anyone trying to gate-keep Christianity with **anything** is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham. Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose.

@billroach_ @BasedMikeLee

Waking up to a flood of angry Mormon replies is certainly one way to start the day. A few observations in response to @BasedMikeLee. First, the most common response is: "You just don't know enough about Mormonism." That argument doesn't carry much weight with me. I grew up about 25 minutes from Nauvoo, Illinois. Mormon history isn't some distant academic subject where I'm from. It's woven into the landscape of Illinois, Missouri, and Iowa. I've visited many of the historical sites connected to Joseph Smith and the early Latter-day Saints. Throughout the region, there are markers, museums, and historical accounts documenting the conflicts that followed Mormon settlements. In Missouri, tensions escalated into violence, property disputes, political conflicts, and allegations of criminal activity. In Illinois, Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy (as well as the Mormon practices of polygamy), his accumulation of political and military power, and the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor press contributed to the controversies that ultimately led to his arrest and death in Carthage. Across the tri-state region, Mormon history is remembered not merely as a story of persecution, but also as a story of serious controversy surrounding Smith and the movement he founded. Second, Mormonism differs from biblical Christianity at virtually every major doctrinal point. Historically, orthodox Christians have regarded Mormonism as a religious cult that emerged from Christianity while redefining its essential doctrines. Consider just a few examples: • Mormonism teaches that God the Father was once a man who progressed to godhood. Biblical Christianity teaches that God is eternally God and has never been anything else. • Mormonism teaches that human beings may eventually become gods. Biblical Christianity teaches that redeemed believers are glorified creatures, not future deities. • Mormonism rejects the historic doctrine of the Trinity and teaches separate divine beings united in purpose. Biblical Christianity teaches one God in three coequal and coeternal Persons. Mormonism may be the most polytheistic religion in the world. • Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the first spirit child of Heavenly Father. Biblical Christianity teaches that Jesus is the eternal Son of God, uncreated, fully God and fully man. • Mormonism teaches the preexistence of human souls. Biblical Christianity does not. • Mormonism teaches continuing revelation through modern prophets. Biblical Christianity recognizes Scripture as the final written authority. • Mormonism recognizes the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price as authoritative scripture. Biblical Christianity recognizes the Bible alone as God-breathed Scripture. • Mormonism teaches a system of exaltation tied to ordinances, temple rites, and covenant faithfulness. Biblical Christianity teaches justification by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone. • Mormonism teaches that Christianity fell into a Great Apostasy and required restoration through Joseph Smith. Biblical Christianity teaches that Christ preserved His church as He promised. The irony is that Mormonism's own foundational narrative claims historic Christianity became corrupt and disappeared from the earth until Joseph Smith restored the truth. If that is true, then Mormonism is not historic Christianity restored. It is a new religious system built upon the claim that Christianity failed. The conclusion remains unchanged: Mormonism is not biblical Christianity.

@EricCMeadows No. They do what they want until votes are on the line. Hence removing so many religions from the chaplains list just because and it’s only when the Latter-day Saint senators started complaining about not being classified as Christian they changed that one thing.

Does the religious right want the help of Latter-day Saints? Or no?

@MostlyPeaceful You know what else is spiritually trans? The Trinity.

When you reject their dogma, Mormons resort to the same effeminate emotional manipulation as the Left. Spiritually trans.

@TheTechyTexan @MostlyPeaceful

@MostlyPeaceful And lets not forget the pedophilia that landed one of their top leaders (who many consider a prophet) in jail. There's nothing like raping children in the name of God to bolster the legitimacy of your cult.👇

@holysmoke No your dogmatism draws the line. Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose. If you try turning to the Bible to justify I’ll just tap the sign now

Christianity ‘draws a line’ around the concept that there is only one God. Your religion crosses that line.

When I talked with some very sweet LDS missionary gals last spring this same process came up when I asked them about their testimonies. The problem is that you’re asked to believe based on a subjective feeling after praying, not to test it against Scripture to see if it’s objectively true. The problem with something like the Book of Mormon is that’s it’s used to interpret Scripture, so when there are contradictions they default to believing what the Book of Mormon says *over* what Scripture teaches. My urgent-but-gentle challenge to these girls was that when the Bible and the Book of Mormon contradict each other both cannot be true (I pointed out a specific example of where the teachings differ). And I encouraged them to really read and consider what Scripture says. I read this passage to them: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:6-9 I told them that my greatest desire for all of us is that we would believe what is true, and reminded them that God wanted that for all of us.

@CBHeresy Anyone trying to gate-keep Christianity with **anything** is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham. Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose.

Christians do not believe Jesus is the product of celestial procreation. Christians do not believe God was once a man who ascended to Godhood on another world. Christians do not believe God dwells near a star called Kolob. Christians do not believe faithful humans can become gods ruling worlds of their own. Christians do not believe that Jesus visited America after His resurrection. Christians do not believe Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers. Christians do not believe there are multiple gods. Christians do not believe God the Father has a physical body of flesh and bone. Christians do not believe Native Americans received dark skin as the result of a curse. Mormons are generally kind people. But kindness is not theology. Many Mormon beliefs—past and present—are fundamentally incompatible with historic Christian doctrine.

@sp1fffX @father_rmv Exactly. Anyone trying to gate-keep Christianity with **anything** is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham. Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose.

You are welcome to your beliefs about the nature of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. You're welcome to only accept certain writings and revelations as valid, as doctrine, or as scripture. You're welcome to believe your denomination possesses apostolic authority. But you're not welcome to say whether any denomination is Christian or not. You have your Christian denomination, we have ours. Stay in your lane.

In strictly theological terms, Catholics do not consider Mormons (Latter-day Saints) as Christians for these reasons: Rejection of the Trinity: Catholicism affirms one God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons (Nicene Creed). Mormonism teaches three separate gods (God the Father, Jesus, and Holy Ghost) united in purpose, not in substance (tritheism). Different understanding of God: Catholics hold God as an eternal, immaterial Spirit who has always been God. Mormonism teaches God the Father has a physical body, was once a mortal man who progressed to godhood, and that humans can become gods. Additional scriptures and revelation: Catholicism holds that public revelation ended with the apostles; Scripture and Sacred Tradition are sufficient. Mormonism adds the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price as equal or superior scripture, plus ongoing prophetic revelation. Fundamentally different Christology: Catholic teaching is that Jesus is the eternal, uncreated second Person of the Trinity. Mormonism views Jesus as the literal spirit-brother of all humans, a created being who became divine (similar to other gods in their cosmology). Apostolic succession and authority: The Catholic Church traces its priesthood directly to the apostles through unbroken succession. Mormonism claims the original Church fell into total apostasy, requiring Joseph Smith’s restoration with new authority. These are only a few of the differences which places Mormonism outside historic, orthodox Christianity as defined by the early Church councils. Bottom line: LDS theology is a radical departure from the fundamental tenets of what one holds as a Christian.

@littleflower673 @sp1fffX @father_rmv Anyone trying to gate-keep Christianity with **anything** is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham. Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose. Jesus ain’t here rn to decide either.

I think Jesus is the authority on whether a church is a Christian denomination or not. Since Jesus gave that authority to His Church through the apostles, and only one Church can be traced back to Jesus through that apostolic succession, then that one Church has Jesus’ authority. “Whatever you bind will be bound in Heaven…whatever you loose will be loosed in heaven”. Matt 16:19 That is clear authority.

@father_rmv If you have authority in a church then you can decide if someone does or doesn’t belong to your church, but Christianity is such a broad definition you’re playing identity politics by rejecting someone else’s claim to it.

@father_rmv Anyone trying to gate-keep Christianity with **anything** is like the Pharisees and Sadducees trying to gate-keep God’s favor with ancestral lineage to Abraham. Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose.

@travisakers Nah dude. MAGA LDS might, but they’re a bit retarded. You’d be surprised how many aren’t right wing politically indoctrinated.

For the LDS folks… Franklin Graham and Erika Kirk believe Mormonism is a cult - but yet you align yourself with their organizations. How do you reconcile that?

@Catholic_Bob @jonathanplumb *taps the sign*

The trinity is in the first three verses of Genesis as well as many more places @jonathanplumb loudly proclaiming you have a profound misunderstanding is not going to anger anyone