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@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray What’s your point? It also is a nation built by immigrants

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray America went from non existent to the most dominant, innovative, prosperous, envied, free nation on earth in a mere 160ish years thanks to capitalism & a foundation built on judeo-christian principles We've watched socialism fail everywhere throughout human history Easy choice

When it comes to describing transcendent genius, I love this quote from mathematician Mark Kac, talking about Ramanujan.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray A modern capitalist economy is enormously complicated with almost innumerable moving parts. So it’s not surprising to see people arguing both sides. That said, there are more papers with more citations arguing that immigrants are a net positive economically speaking.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray I don’t get my economics from the media at all. My dad was an economics major in college. I took economics in my masters degree. There are papers arguing both sides of this issue—like with most things in economics, it’s not black-and-white.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray That’s not how economics works. Remember—the immigrants don’t only add to the supply of workers, which, you are correct creates a downward pressure on wages. But they are also consumers which makes the whole economy larger—creating upward pressure on wages

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray This doesn't even take into consideration how major corporations exploit illegal immigrant labor which depresses American wages. Liberals rage the wages should be higher, and then support exploiting slave labor to keep wages low. The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray Again—immigrants are not a drain on the economy. They grow it. You have it backwards.

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray Why are we responsible to take in the world's poor? How about we take care of our own poor first?

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray Again don’t put that on me. I don’t live in Martha’s Vineyard. Immigration is a super difficult problem—no doubt. But ICE isn’t the solution

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray Liberals are only virtuous about illegal immigrants when they are someone else's problem, in someone else's community far far away and only seen on their TV. When it becomes an issue in THEIR personal community, attitudes change lightening fast.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray I didn’t do that and I don’t endorse it. That’s also part of what I mean by immigration reform. We actually have to have the infrastructure to take them on. Congress needs to fix that.

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray Look no further than what happened when 48 'brown people' were shipped to Martha's Vineyard. One of the richest, most liberal place in the country. They had the resources to take care of these people for generations & yet they discarded them like the daily trash removal.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray They’re really not. This “based on merit” thing is ridiculous. When the Irish people migrated here after the potato famine, it wasn’t merit. It was bc they were starving. And yet the Irish immigrants were great for America.

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray Your immigration views are driven by select images of sad 'brown people' the Democratic party exploits & puts on your TV & computer screen to exploit your emotions and heartstrings. One of us is driven by facts and law, the other is driven by emotion. That's the difference

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray when that sort of things happens, but the country has always emerged stronger because of those immigration waves. It expands and strengthens the economy. And these immigrants will too, if we would only let them.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray Wait--you said unrelated to trafficking and violence? So you're just anti-immigration? That's just dumb; sorry. We've had lots of waves of immigration in this country--from the Irish potato famine to the California gold rush. There's always anti-immigration sentiment

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray I’m saying our laws need changing. That’s literally what immigration reform means. Also, not wanting your country to be horrible to people who aren’t violent or trafficking drugs isn’t weakness. It’s righteous.

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray Listen, you openly admit, 'I'm not so sure I want our laws enforced because if enforcing them means I see a story online that makes me sad, I don't know that I want the laws to count..' That's the liberal Democrat mindset right there

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray People who don’t understand economics are forever saying that an immigrant is going to come take your job. But it’s not a zero sum game. They actually grow the economy.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray But then the same rules would apply for citizens, too. If they’re not, piles and piles of economic research say that immigrants help the economy. Where immigrants are, you have greater job creation, and the local economy grows.

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray youtu.be/iCAm3WVH8bE?si…

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray You’re not wrong that there are a lot of anti-vaxxers. There are vastly more doctors who will tell you anti-vaxxers are full of shit. Real doctors don’t sit around all day making Facebook videos

@Turn_and_Tempo @esrtweet @charlesmurray 🙄 the five hundred and seventy eighth Facebook propaganda video isn’t going to convince me. And yes I know he was CDC director. Now go find any other CDC director who agrees with him. There are lots of former CDC directors still alive.

@dan325 @esrtweet @charlesmurray Believe the doctors facebook.com/share/v/1CqJ7o…