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@lsanger There’s a lot that’s wrong with me, but I have a feeling those problems are not what you’re asking about. What do you mean?
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Larry Sanger
Larry Sanger@lsanger·
Very well, let’s make this clear and repudiate this obscurantism. It doesn’t matter which version of the Nicene Creed you choose; you have to endorse one; they all do the job of summarizing the foundational doctrines of Scripture. Their authority obviously does not come from any emperor, but from the fact that they represent an early unified Church speaking with a single voice and justified explicitly and at length by Scripture. Accepting the Nicene Creed is not a sufficient condition for being Christian, but a necessary one. Any sect that rejects any one of the Nicene doctrines under any reasonable interpretation—like the LDS—therefore rejects some essential doctrine expressed clearly and repeatedly in Scripture.
Brigham's Burner@FiredUpCoug

When you say I have to accept “the Nicene Creed” to be Christian, could you be more specific? Do you mean the creed produced in A.D. 325 at a council convened by the Roman emperor Constantine, who was trying to settle the Arian controversy and preserve unity in his empire? Or do you mean the version most Christians actually recite today, which comes from A.D. 381, when another Roman emperor, Theodosius I, convened the First Council of Constantinople to settle further disputes and more fully define the doctrine of the Holy Spirit? Because that seems like a pretty important distinction. One was created under Constantine, a Roman emperor with no priesthood authority, whose interest in Christianity was inseparable from his interest in imperial stability. The other was expanded under Theodosius, another Roman emperor who used state power to enforce religious uniformity. And somehow I’m supposed to believe that my faith in Jesus Christ is invalid unless I accept the theological conclusions of emperor-sponsored councils held centuries after Christ and His apostles? You are free to trust those councils, led by rulers of the same empire that crucified Christ. But please stop pretending that your post-biblical, politically entangled, imperial committee language is simply “biblical truth.” And stop acting like you have the authority to decide who is and is not Christian based on a person’s willingness to pledge allegiance to Rome’s preferred definition of the Divine.

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Father V@father_rmv·
In strictly theological terms, Catholics do not consider Mormons (Latter-day Saints) as Christians for these reasons: Rejection of the Trinity: Catholicism affirms one God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons (Nicene Creed). Mormonism teaches three separate gods (God the Father, Jesus, and Holy Ghost) united in purpose, not in substance (tritheism). Different understanding of God: Catholics hold God as an eternal, immaterial Spirit who has always been God. Mormonism teaches God the Father has a physical body, was once a mortal man who progressed to godhood, and that humans can become gods. Additional scriptures and revelation: Catholicism holds that public revelation ended with the apostles; Scripture and Sacred Tradition are sufficient. Mormonism adds the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price as equal or superior scripture, plus ongoing prophetic revelation. Fundamentally different Christology: Catholic teaching is that Jesus is the eternal, uncreated second Person of the Trinity. Mormonism views Jesus as the literal spirit-brother of all humans, a created being who became divine (similar to other gods in their cosmology). Apostolic succession and authority: The Catholic Church traces its priesthood directly to the apostles through unbroken succession. Mormonism claims the original Church fell into total apostasy, requiring Joseph Smith’s restoration with new authority. These are only a few of the differences which places Mormonism outside historic, orthodox Christianity as defined by the early Church councils. Bottom line: LDS theology is a radical departure from the fundamental tenets of what one holds as a Christian.
Mike Lee@BasedMikeLee

I just got off the phone with President Trump We discussed the Pentagon’s “Christian list” I won’t speak for him, but I’m thrilled about where this is heading We’re most fortunate that President Trump (1) loves Latter-day Saints, and (2) is our commander in chief Stay tuned

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@JulieLovesFluff @gaptoothdummy Man, so many Christians willing to clown on stuff like this but when they read about it in the Bible they’re like, “totally normal.”
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Julie@JulieLovesFluff·
@gaptoothdummy They do them in a font held up my 12 golden calfs, it's wild.
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Natalie Sterling@gaptoothdummy·
So I recently learned something that shocked me about the Mormon proxy baptisms... 💀😵‍💫😆
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Julie@JulieLovesFluff·
@mshurtleffwrite @gaptoothdummy Yes, have you? Galatians 1:6-9 clearly tells us to wary of anyone preaching another gospel, even angels.
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Aidan@aidannonx·
The Bible doesn’t mention “the Nicene Creed”, but everything in the Nicene Creed is mentioned in the Bible This is hyperliteralism Faith alone is never said in the Bible, but Protestants infer it, despite the contrary, that faith alone is insufficient, being mentioned
Scott C. Cox@RealScottCCox

@aidannonx "The Nicene creed being mentioned in the Bible" is next level delusional, it didnt exist for 300+ years

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@glennbeck I try to be kind, truly, but this is a retarded take: “what happens if the power shifts and the "Jesus was nonbinary" camp takes over?” It was an issue that they reclassified our faith, but much more egregious to remove all of the other ones! Did you not go to fifth Sunday?
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Glenn Beck
Glenn Beck@glennbeck·
Last night, I got a call from President Trump. During the call, I asked about how the Pentagon had reclassified my faith. He said he would look into it. This morning, he told me it had been fixed. Thank you, President Trump. We can disagree on whether "Mormons are Christian." That's not what disturbed me about this. I don't want the GOVERNMENT classifying religions. That creates a dangerous tool that shouldn't be in the hands of ANY government. I don't believe that was Hegseth's goal. But what happens if the power shifts and the "Jesus was nonbinary" camp takes over? Will they recategorize conservative Christians? The Biden administration already tried to link Catholicism to domestic terror. If that possibility troubles you, then you understand my problem with this whole thing. I don't want the government to declare me a Christian. I want them to stay out of it.
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Jonathan Hansen 🐗
Jonathan Hansen 🐗@RevHansen1563·
Only the true Jesus can save. A false Jesus, no matter how much you believe in him, cannot save you.
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@Grownded @TysonHigham Womp womp doesn’t mean they aren’t better than you
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@TysonHigham Samaritans are still around and still heretics
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Tyson@TysonHigham·
The Parable of the Good Samaritan is powerful because Jesus made the hero a doctrinal outsider. In Jesus’ day, Samaritans were viewed as heretics by Jews: • They only accepted the first 5 books of the Bible • Worshipped on Mount Gerizim (not Jerusalem) • Were seen as religiously impure A “Good Samaritan” was an oxymoron — like saying “good heretic.” Yet the priest and Levite (with “correct” doctrine) passed by the injured man. The Samaritan — the one with the “wrong” beliefs — stopped, showed mercy, sacrificed time and money, and saved him. Jesus wasn’t saying doctrine doesn’t matter. He was teaching that correct doctrine without love and mercy is empty. True discipleship is proven by how we treat people in need — anyone in need — not just by having all the right answers. “Go and do likewise.” (Luke 10:37) #JesusChrist #Bible #Mormon
Texas Family Project@FamilyProjectTX

Mormons are strong family oriented people. Mormons are generous people. Mormons are often nice and loving people. Mormons, however, are not Christians.

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I@selfquotation12·
@alfredsparks You know what’s funny? I post this picture a lot in response to lots of people who post insufferable things like this, but they can never actually refute it. I wonder why.
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James Dorman IV
James Dorman IV@alfredsparks·
I used to be 100% sure Mormonism was an unbiblical cult but after reading the Book of Mormon I am 200% sure.
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David@residentreformr·
@Tony_AK907 The temple rituals passed away with the fulfillment of Christ’s work. All the rituals and feasts were a foreshadow of the coming King. He came. The need for them is now gone. Paul explains this clearly in Galatians with the entire discussion on the “judaizers.”
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@ChristandGuitar Good question: why do lots of people see Galatians 1:8 as referring to a grass root religion that popped up and flourished if they aren’t actually accursed like the verse says they should be? Oh I know! Let me just tap my handy dandy sign here.
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🎸 Matt 🎸
🎸 Matt 🎸@ChristandGuitar·
Joseph Smith claimed that he translated the Book of Mormon from an ancient language called "Reformed Egyptian," and that the Book of Abraham was translated from Egyptian papyri. To this day, there is no proof that "Reformed Egyptian" was ever a language that existed. His "translation" of the Egyptian papyri has also been proven to not match the actual texts...at all. As Christians, we have to hold firm to Scripture. Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. Why do you think Mormonism (LDS) has grown to such a large size today?
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@gaptoothdummy Your authority to determine what is Christian extends to the tip of your nose. You’re just playing at identity politics. And there are more Christians who didn’t believe in the Trinity than those churches. Just thumb through a copy of the New Testament and you’ll find them.
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@RealTonyGurule My finger is getting tired of tapping the sign
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Tony Gurule
Tony Gurule@RealTonyGurule·
The majority of devout Mormons (LDS) are very kind and respectful, hold commendable, conservative values, and tend to be fantastic neighbors. In spite of all that, Mormons are not 'Christians' because they are not "born again" (John 3:3), and Mormonism is not 'Christian' for a number of theological reasons. However, since it is so close to Christianity (yet still false) it falls under the 'theological-cult' category rather than being a standard, man-made religion. More precisely, Mormonism teaches a false view of God, a false view of Jesus, etc., and other books (The Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine & Covenants) are looked to in addition to the Bible, and the Bible is ultimately interpreted through the lens of those LDS books which came later. Interestingly, there are many similarities between Muhammad and Joseph Smith (x.com/RealTonyGurule…, and video: youtube.com/watch?v=yXxCeu…), as well as the Islamic Hajj (one of the Five Pillars of Islam) and Mormons working their way to the Temple (youtube.com/watch?v=24P6au…). In fact, there are so many similarities between Islam & Mormonism that Islam is commonly labeled, 'Medieval Mormonism', and if you want to learn about a split in Mormonism that is very similar to the Sunni-Shia split that took place in Islam, check out this book that was published in 1912.
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Tony Gurule@RealTonyGurule

Isn't it interesting how BOTH Muhammad & Joseph Smith claimed to be visited by 'an angel' who had a 'corrected' revelation to share with them? The Bible provides the best context to what actually happened to both of them (I've listed two Bible verses near the bottom), but before I get to that, it's eerily odd HOW MANY similarities there are between Muhammad & Joseph Smith, so much so that some scholars have referred to 'Islam' as 'medieval Mormonism.' You'll quickly realize WHY when you read these 24 similarities between these two men, however, there are also two MAJOR differences between Islam & Mormonism (LDS), so I've listed both of those as well... Similarities between Muhammad & Joseph Smith: 1) Both claimed to be visited by angels. 2) Both men claimed supernatural experiences. 3) Both were told that all existing religions were false. 4) Both of them were told they would restore true religions on earth. 5) Both religions teach a works-based salvation. 6) Both wanted to unite all people under what he thought was the one 'true' religion. 7) Both rejected the Bible and said it was changed by men, corrupted, and unreliable. 8) The sayings of both founders were written down and came to be viewed by their followers as 'inspired' by God. 9) Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth. 10) Both founders later received 'corrections' to their inspired scriptures. 11) Both founders became military leaders. 12) Both claimed that they were persecuted because of their pure faith. 13) Both 'prophets' began as monogamists but became polygamists. 14) Both borrowed other religious ideas of their day. 15) Both religions fought over who would lead after the founder died. 16) Both groups are actually ruled more by the words and/or the works of the prophets than the key inspired book. 17) Both religions have 'fundamentalist' factions who are violent and/or anti-social. 18) Both deny Jesus’ eternal deity. 19) Both deny that Jesus' death on the cross paid for all the sins of everyone who repents and puts their trust in Him. 20) Both gave dietary laws to their followers. 21) Both require devout followers to wear specific types of clothing. 22) Both put women on a lower level than men. 23) Both have their own versions of heaven / paradise. 24) Both men claimed to be God's prophet. However, here are those two MAJOR differences between Islam & Mormonism (LDS) I mentioned: 1) According to Islam, Muhammad was the last and final prophet, whereas Mormonism teaches Joseph Smith was a prophet. 2) Islam teaches there is only one god (monotheism), whereas Mormonism teaches that a man can 'become a god' (polytheism). The two Bible verses, I mentioned at the top, that provide context to what both men encountered: 2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades an angel of light." Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a Gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!"

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@dingustheding1 @nikiped1aV2 @JoelWebbon @grok First off: where in the Bible is Deuteronomy? Was there more after that? Hm… no plagues here. Good thing those plagues weren’t for the Bible as a whole. And lastly, I’ll just tap the sign.
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james@dingustheding1·
@nikiped1aV2 @JoelWebbon @grok "You shall not add to the word which I command you.." Deuteronomy 4:2 "..If anyone adds to these things, [b]God will add to him the plagues.." Revelation 22:18-19 "..or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you.." Galatians 1:6-9 your entire book is blasphemy
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Joel Webbon
Joel Webbon@JoelWebbon·
Despite being polytheistic fertility-cultists whose galactic headquarters is near Planet Kolob and their messianic Promised Land just an hour north of Kansas City, Mormons get the good press of being a notoriously polite, kind, and neighborly people with a low-crime, mutually respectful community with deep American values. That could be the fruit of their religion. Or… It could be the natural result of what happens in a homogenous, high-trust community which banned black people from full admission until the Carter Administration. But we’re not allowed to talk about that.
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@IMAO_ It’s funny if you try to argue for monotheism being important and also believe what the Bible says. The concept of monotheism didn’t even exist until the 1600s and the Bible is rife with mentions of other gods.
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Frank J. Fleming
Frank J. Fleming@IMAO_·
It’s strange to me all the focus on whether Mormons accept the trinity when it feels like there is a larger discussion on whether their faith is monotheistic.
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@rileyadamvoth Don’t make me tap the sign
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Riley Adam Voth
Riley Adam Voth@rileyadamvoth·
One thing the last couple days have shown us for sure: 99% of Mormons haven't read their own book and do not know their own religion's history and beliefs.
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Bitter Cling
Bitter Cling@bittercling·
@TimReeves_ How can they state they believe the Bible is the Word of God and also that they believe in the BOM? The two contradict.
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Timothy@TimReeves_·
I’ve never… read the Book of Mormon. been to a Mormon church. read a book about Mormonism. But… I occasionally house sit for my Mormon neighbors. Their living room wall has 3 statements of faith. None align with the statements of faith my Christian Church holds.
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@Camila_Rocha Don’t make me tap the sign again AI PFP lady.
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Camila Rocha
Camila Rocha@Camila_Rocha·
The Pharisees erred because they rejected the One to whom the faith belongs, the Messiah and God Himself. Christianity is not a free-for-all interpretation; it has always possessed boundaries. The Apostles themselves drew them. St. Paul did not say, Believe whatever you wish in Christ’s name. He wrote: ‘But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.’ (Galatians 1:8) That is defined doctrine. If Christianity has no definition, then Arians, Gnostics, Mormons are Christians and even Muslims are Christian because they affirm Jesus as a prophet. The word then becomes meaningless. Words carry meanings. Christianity begins with the affirming truth that Christ is God incarnate, Eternal, not created; that He died and rose again; and that the faith handed down by the Apostles is true. The Apostles, and the Church they received from Christ, have the authority to define what it is, not every individual for himself. The Stewardship of doctrine passed on by the Apostles was the reality for all Christians throughout the long, continuous, and historical life of the Church, before self-interpretation became a trend after the 1600s.
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Camila Rocha
Camila Rocha@Camila_Rocha·
Christianity begins with one confession and the proclamation of the Good News: that Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God and the Redeemer of mankind, is God incarnate. Christ is not a creature elevated to divinity. Neither He is a spirit progressing toward godhood. Not one god among many. He is the eternal Word through whom all things were made. For two thousand years, this is the truth the Apostles preached, what the martyrs died for, what the Fathers defended, and what the Church proclaimed at Nicaea against the Arians. Mormon theology teaches that Christ is a created being and that man may himself become a god. Yet this is the very temptation whispered in the Garden of Eden: ‘You shall be as gods.’ (Genesis 3:5) The consequence is the result of the Fall. It is exile and the enduring suffering of a life that longs for His love and for the presence of the Creator. The Serpent tempted the creature to desire the throne of the Creator. The finite reaches for the Infinite and forgets that it is dust. The truth makes one Christian. Christianity possesses a definition received from the Apostles and preserved through the centuries. It is not something that can be reinvented by a new prophet in nineteenth-century New York. The Book of Mormon is another testament, by title, that rejects and contradicts the teachings of the Christian faith. And Scripture has already spoken on that matter: ‘But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.’ (Galatians 1:8) If one wants to become a Christian, reject the false testament and the heresies it contains, and embrace the fullness of the faith.
Mike Lee@BasedMikeLee

Can anyone tell me why The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was left out of the list of Christian churches?

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Mostly Peaceful Memes
Mostly Peaceful Memes@MostlyPeaceful·
When you reject their dogma, Mormons resort to the same effeminate emotional manipulation as the Left. Spiritually trans.
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