English
Bugga
7.1K posts
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl The point is that arguments like this
"I just think it's easier to get 50% of humans to want to save everyone they love than 100% of humans to save themselves" hold no water because it's almost always true no matter the percentage needed to save everyone.
English
You are a bad person if you press red. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
If you press red, you are condemning infants, toddlers, children/disabled people/ elderly people/etc. who didn’t read or comprehend it, to death.
You think you’ve “aha’d” all the blue pressers, but ultimately you are selfish, just like your choice of the red button
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
English
@Kevin_1_618 @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl Obviously? I don't see your point, 50% is the goal, not 95%. A very big difference that changes the entire premise of the argument.
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl Yeah exactly.
Most blue pushers switch to red when they feel the risk is too high.
English
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl It's also easier to get 95% to vote blue than 100% to vote red.
It's highly unlikely that will happen tho.
English
@Tim_G_1983 @Ludlowfnl @SaintSlimJim You genuinely believe humans still live and die by natural selection? You're a genius
English
@Bugga_fnl @Ludlowfnl @SaintSlimJim I guess you said we’ve evolved past one of the key components of evolution. You can add that one, too.
Very scientifically compelling.
English
English
@Tim_G_1983 @Ludlowfnl @SaintSlimJim I made many arguments and I'm not going to repeat them. Read what I had to say, and if you still disagree, fine, but don't say I didn't make an argument. The only argument you made was self-preservation, which is said is fair. Get it together
English
@Bugga_fnl @Ludlowfnl @SaintSlimJim Your argument was “50% is easier than 100%”.
I’m talking about arguments of moral consequence.
English
@Tim_G_1983 @Ludlowfnl @SaintSlimJim Idk how you cam say that with a straight face. I've made claim after claim, being cordial and logical, claiming no moral higher-end, and you kept saying "nuh-uh." Now you're saying that I haven't made an argument.
English
@Bugga_fnl @Ludlowfnl @SaintSlimJim You’ve both done a stellar job at making a claim with zero argument or proof.
English
English
English
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl Do I think that me not having to support massive amounts of people on welfare would harm me?
No.
I don’t eat fast food or shop at Wal Mart so I’m pretty safe on services lost.
English
@Tim_G_1983 @Ludlowfnl @SaintSlimJim Not for humans, because we've evolved past that. We don't just let disabled people die because they're unfit to live. We can save everyone, so we should.
English
English
@Tim_G_1983 @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl Again, I just gave you non-moral reasons as to why blue is the better option. Society remains intact, and 50% is an achievable goal, whereas 100% is not. You can vote red, but lucky for you, there are enough people who realize that blue is better for everyone
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl But the primary “blue argument” is the moral argument.
The moral argument remains if the standard is 50.01% or 90%.
English
@Tim_G_1983 @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl You don't think that losing that many people at once would lower your quality of life? Utilities stop functioning, food stops being produced, world leaders cease to exist. Pilots gone, internet shuts off, satellites crash to the earth. This is basically Thanos snapping us away
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl I’m not convinced that my life is going to drastically change for the worse.
I don’t want those people to die.
But the quality of my life isn’t dependent upon them.
English
The only reason anyone can die is because more than 50% of people chose red, yet they act like it's blue's fault they chose it.
doctor quince, esq.@DoctorQuince
The only reason anyone can die is because they chose blue, yet they act like it's red's fault they chose it
English
@Tim_G_1983 @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl I just gave you logical, non-moral reasons as to why I would choose blue. Calling it "virtue signaling" and "stupid" is disingenuous and lazy.
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl It’s not disingenuous to say so. Without an actual experiment our thesis (that most blue button pushers are liars) is entirely feasible.
Therefore it’s a genuine opinion and possibility.
There’s also a bunch of morons, too.
English
@SaintSlimJim @Tim_G_1983 @Ludlowfnl I agree. But the prompt is 50% and that's what my stance is based on
English
@Bugga_fnl @Tim_G_1983 @Ludlowfnl ok, 75% is easier to achieve than 100% but in that situation I am totally pressing red, regardless of my thoughts on community.
My point is, everyone has a number where they switch from blue to red, regardless of their thoughts on community.
English
@Tim_G_1983 @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl It's not a moral obligation. If I pick red, and, say, 40% of all humans die, my life is going to drastically change for the worse. I lose loved ones, society collapses, and we most likely live in a post-apocalyptic dystopia. Blue prevents all of that
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl This is only way to look at it, unless you are determined to let other people’s decision to put themselves at risk place a moral obligation on you.
English
English
@Bugga_fnl @Tim_G_1983 @Ludlowfnl 90% is easier to achieve than 100% but in that situation I am totally pressing red, regardless of my thoughts on community.
English
Another person who can comprehend 10/10 people making the same decision, but not 6/10 people making the same decision.
Abby Libby@abbythelibb_
If everyone takes responsibility for their own lives and presses the Red Button, NO ONE DIES. But people who would rather feel morally superior to a villain of their own imagination can press Blue, I guess. Their funeral.
English
@Tim_G_1983 @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl Everyone's life is at risk in this scenario. You can remove yourself with full confidence, but knowing others will die; or you can contribute to the likelihood that everyone survives, with a risk of dying yourself. It's not stupid to choose the latter.
English
@Bugga_fnl @SaintSlimJim @Ludlowfnl Nobody’s life is at risk until they choose to put it at risk. Every single person is about to secure their own safety.
English