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📚 Research archive for resources defending Atheism in the analytic philosophy of religion. Collaborator at @realatheology | Desert Naturalist | Open DMs

انضم Ocak 2023
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Sarah Constantin
Sarah Constantin@s_r_constantin·
so, fwiw: i am job hunting... with a pretty wide range of possibilities, given that i've had an unusually varied career thus far. (Palantir, running a small nonprofit, various data science/ML things, wearing all manner of business hats at an AI for manufacturing company, grantmaking). resume here: docs.google.com/document/d/1Tl…
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@LesSzklanny This is why I don't do twitter discussions. First you complain that Baras is not a scientist, I address that, then you strawman his argument, I address that as well, it feels like I'm going around in circles and just getting more dumber as this conversation goes along.
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@analyticatheism I already addressed that this is an argument from ignorance.
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In his book: "Calling for Explanation," Dan Baras offers a decisive Humean objection to fine-tuning arguments, in that they require us to make inferences that our background knowledge ultimately can't support. Check it out below:
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@LesSzklanny I already addressed this: x.com/analyticatheis… The vast majority of the defenders of the FTA are Philosophers as well, so not sure why any of this is relevant.
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@LesSzklanny To quote Grok on you review: "This is a common defensive maneuver, but it mischaracterizes both Baras's argument and the nature of the FTA itself. Philosophical objections can and often do overturn or severely weaken such arguments"

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Les@LesSzklanny·
@analyticatheism Baras is a philosopher, not a scientist. No major scientist has directly used Baras’ specific argument (his book is recent, 2022, and quite philosophical in focus).
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@AndrewJRParker @RealAtheology 22/ My final point is simple: the danger is not that Oppy ignores the “epistemological heart” of theism. The danger is using that heart to shield theism from the very comparison Oppy is asking both sides to undergo. Feel free to have the last word on this.
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@AndrewJRParker @RealAtheology 21/ So yes, theistic traditions should be represented in their strongest form. But representing them fairly does not mean accepting their internal epistemic demands as binding on outsiders. Those demands are part of the theory being tested.
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Andrew Parker
Andrew Parker@AndrewJRParker·
A comment on Graham Oppy's naturalism. @RealAtheology In relying on current science to guide his naturalism, Oppy restricts his view to empirical, externally measurable truth-seeking. Although he refers to an "ideal" science, this is unreachable, and clearly he takes empirical science as the best model and guide. This excludes from the outset any possibility that there could be an interior way to reliable knowledge of reality, that can reveal things beyond empirical science. Because he assumes minds are only "late and local", they cannot have interior ontological depth beyond the physical structure that Oppy assumes must give rise to mind. But this becomes rather circular: minds are "late and local" > no interior depth disclosing truths > external empirical science is the only reliable way to truth > reality = natural = only what (empirical) science discloses. The mystical interior (contemplative) life is excluded from the outset.
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Graham Oppy define naturalismo precipuamente pela conjunção destas três teses: a) todas propriedades causais e entidades causais são naturais, i.é, a ordem causal é exaurida pelo natural; b) o mental é tardio e local: mentes não são fundamentais; elas são recentes, ou ao menos produtos de realidades mais básicas (como organismos); c) nada é divino, nada há que objetivamente deva ser adorado ou coisas semelhante. Ainda segundo Oppy, natural é aquilo que é reconhecido pela ciência "ideal, completa e verdadeira". Jamais teremos tal ciência, de acordo com o próprio Oppy, mas ele comenta que nossa ciência atual é o melhor guia que temos para essa ciência ideal. Por meio de nossos conhecimentos atuais podemos já adiantar coisas que não podem estar nessa descrição da ciência ideal (p. ex., anjos, deuses, karma e afins não terão qualquer espaço nesse contexto).

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