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@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 2006 Fed: 92-5 record 90.2% hold rate 31.6% break rate 55.6% of points won 2364 ELO (1st) 2017 Fed: 55-5 record 91.3% hold rate 26.7% break rate 54.9% of points won 2170 (3rd) If you think anything but his serve improved (with a HUGE return regression to match) you’re nuts.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 Nobody said he fell off a cliff lol. He just was considerably better in his prime. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t still great. Same way 2021 Novak loses in 2 hours and straights to 2015 Novak. And that’s exactly the same age gap as Fed + Djoko, without one being 38. Here: 1/2

Messi, by far. Djokovic was literally grass-mogged by an ancient treebearded Federer, and only leads Nadal by 2 slams when Nadal missed 18 slams due to injury, and when clay is played only half as much as hardcourt, and when hardcourt typically has weaker opposition.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 4) You’re saying it’s not comparable but entirely minimising the pressure Fed was under. He had a chance to win what most people would say would have been the most impressive slam of all time. Both had the crowd on their side, both had a ludicrous draw, only one lost in 3.

3. The said 38 year old defeated Nadal in 4 sets lol; he was in amazing form, played on his favourite court and played on the slam court most friendly to both his playstyle and older age. Nowadays we also have clear evidence that the 6 years gap isn’t that massive anymore when Novak at the same age is currently challenging triple that gap. 4. It’s not hilarious, it’s literally the truth. USO 2021 is a stupid example because the pressure was entirely different with a career-defining Calendar slam on the line, plus Novak was exhausted from the much tougher draw (and taxing season in general) while Meddy had a piss easy draw.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 3) Djokovic was #1 in 2019 and the age GAP is irrelevant. The age matters. Taking #1 Nole to 5 sets at 38 eclipses anything Nole has done at 38, especially on grass. He was a vastly superior grass player whose grandad years rivalled Nole’s second prime.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 2) Novak didn’t duck Federer on purpose. For example, pre-prime Novak made it to 3 USO semis or finals in a part of Fed’s prime, and lost all of them. He didn’t do that at RG or Wim. But post-prime Fed was far better at making it to Novak in the draw, giving Nole MORE wins.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 1) None of this refutes what I said. Fed has a lengthy history of, put simply, arrogance. He is NOT the type to admit he’s past it, because he believed he was the GOAT for his entire career. I accept this is a point neither of us can prove, but I believe you’re wrong.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 3) Novak didn’t have to be in his peak to still hold an obscene advantage over an actual 38 y/o on his 2nd knee surgery. 4) ‘Crowd advantage’ is hilarious 😭 Weird how Djokovic had the crowd fully on his side for USO ‘21 and lost then? What a dumb list of points.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 This is just a host of horrendous points. 1) Do you honestly expect an ageing pro to admit they’re ageing lol? Awful point. 2) 2017 Federer was great, Novak also ducked him. Happened over and over, that’s why they played over TWICE as much post 2012 as they did before.

@ArminCFC_ @kela9123 Tennis isn’t your strong suit, man. Stick to Hazard. Losing 3-1 to 2012 Federer and being taken to 5 in ‘14 + ‘19 is a bad look. They’re like Federer’s 5-9th best grass years, max, compared to Nole’s peak.

Grass-mogged despite Novak winning almost every match against him? Nadal missing 18 slams is also a misleading myth, and even if it wasn’t, that’s only testament to him overly relying on his physical attributes while Novak was a far more balanced player. Not to mention he was robbed off 3 slam opportunities where he was the overwhelming favourite, including by a literal government whose ministers admitted to be Nadal stans lol

@litimothe Is that why he has more open play big chances created in a PL season at his peak than KDB?

@nmrdkml Ashour scores an absolute screamer and salah gets the praise for making a 5 yard pass Sums up his career.

Salah just outperformed KDB in the same position for once, with KDB’s exact injury but worse, in a 10x more inferior team. At every phase of their careers, when you level the playing field between them, Salah pretty much always prevails individually. Phenomenal playa. 🇪🇬

@onysera1 If you swap Liverpool’s second half of the season with their first (Salah goes nuts in the second) - City still win with KDB also having his swapped and going crazy in the first. As you said, that only applies if things are equal. Things weren’t equal because City were better.

@nmrdkml The comparison is in one half of the season you’re not directly fighting for anything and in the second half of the season you’re directly fighting for trophies. This isn’t really debatable ngl as simple and reductive as it sounds football sometimes is simple. Trophy mean good

@onysera1 Basically, the ‘title race’ was an illusion. There wasn’t one. KDB’s best form didn’t = his team’s best form, Salah’s best form didn’t = his team’s best form. Remove their seasons and the outcome doesn’t change. 2/2

@onysera1 There’s no way to make any comparison of which was more important? Liverpool averaged 2 pts p/game for 21 matches with Salah going super saiyan. If he hadn’t been there, City genuinely win the PL by January (like 19/20 Pool) and KDB’s second half doesn’t matter. 1/2

@onysera1 I’m saying the half of the season had zero meaning. If it was neck and neck the whole season, with their form overlapping, a stronger second half would mean something. When the TEAMS were winning MORE at KDB and Salah’s worst, there isn’t a more important half of the season.

@nmrdkml Not once did I say it has 0 meaning. I said KDB’s second half was better than Salah’s first half. Never said anything about carrying either as that was the one season where Liverpool and city genuinely had similar level teams.

@onysera1 The half of the season has 0 meaning for 21/22? City were 10+ points clear of Liverpool in KDB’s bad slump, then narrowly won at his best. Vice versa, Liverpool went within one in Salah’s slump, 10+ behind at his best. Neither was a carryjob, the team was the main event.

@nmrdkml Okay, 19 in 20 as a midfielder > 25 in 20 as a forward. Considering one directly led to a title with everything riding on it. KDB’s 2nd half was better than Salah’s 1st half, this is pretty simple ngl. Second halves of the season will always be better all things equal (Dembouz)

@onysera1 Well we have to do stats because we clearly differ in our perceptions. If I say Salah looked far better at his peak in 21/22 than KDB, you’ll disagree, won’t you? Then there’s literally nothing left for either of us to debate. It’s just your eyes vs mine, at that point.

@nmrdkml And idk why we’re doing stats when it was just a few years ago, KDB was the better player during 90 minutes over the season

@onysera1 You’re comparing what was clearly a legacy award (given after decades in the PL) to two guys who had been there for about 5 years?

@nmrdkml 25 in 20 less high stake games as a forward is not better than 17 in 18 (19 in 20) higher stake games as a midfielder bro. The professsionals were misinformed as the voting ended early. And let’s not do this appeal to authority thing, in that case did Giggs deserve it in 010?

@onysera1 The UCL is just icing on the cake, Salah had 25 G/A in 20 PL games averaging almost 2.5 dribbles. So a bigger sample size than KDB, with better output, and the most he’s ever passed the eye test? It doesn’t matter what WE think, the PROFESSIONALS chose Salah 😭

@nmrdkml We’re talking about who deserved pfa poty and ur bringing up Europe? This is not better than KDB’s second half as I said. It’s elite, just not better which is okay. Salah’s 24/25 now yeah that’s better, not his 21/22

@onysera1 In the last line you deadarse ran from your own point 😭 Rise 33 G/A in 26 PL + UCL matches at 2 dribbles per 90, an Old Trafford hattrick, brace + MOTM at Wanda, best Citypool game individual performance ever, etc KDB 21/22 was legendary lol, just 2nd best

@nmrdkml Brother 17 g/a in 18 matches from midfield 12 of which were game state changing A literal title winning assist A contender for the greatest individual performance in premier league history Meanwhile Salah decided to blank vs “Totspurs” at home title on the line GW36

@onysera1 “KDB’s second half > Salah’s first half”

@nmrdkml 17/18 is his and rightfully so, 21/22 is quite obvs not his as post afcon he wasn’t the same player and KDB’s second half > Salah’s first half. And is it KDB’s fault that the two seasons he won it Salah wasn’t at his best? Can’t just disregard them bc it doesn’t fit ur agenda