Suvikyi

@ItsSugarThyme Copyright has not been trampled on, training falls under fair use because it's a transformative process and the intent is to synthesize novel content. I would sympathize with you if you talked about how it affects the market, but not if you blatantly misrepresent law.

@suvikyi Someone who uses a tool that tramples on other people's copyrights then worries about their own copyrights...

It's true that an individual work generated by a model it is not considered copyrightable in the U.S. However, the same isn't true when you start arranging those pieces into a new work. For instance, you can still copyright a visual novel that uses only AI artwork.

@ItsSugarThyme For the other point, the arrangement protection would prevent a bad actor from legally re-uploading the VN somewhere else and providing it for free, selling it, claiming it as their own etc. For commercial sale of these works you still get protection, which is very important.

@suvikyi But how many people are stealing the arrangements of a visual novel? To me, it feels more like they asked for that copyright to say, "I have a copyright," and make it seem like they own more than they do. Most people aren't even aware you can copyright the arrangement like that.

@ItsSugarThyme You'd do that anyway, when you file copyright for something like a VN you file for multiple layers of protection anyways, it's a single fee, so there's no extra amount you're paying for the protection of arrangements.

@suvikyi I know we have automatic copyright, but that's someone who submitted the work. So they undoubtedly would have paid a fee for that.

@ItsSugarThyme If people confuse the holder saying they have copyright over the work with the individual pieces within it that's not their fault. Saying it's a nefarious act to "make it seem like they own more than they do" is just you trying to default anyone who claims it as unethical, right?

@ItsSugarThyme Also you do not have to pay for copyright. If you make something original, you have the copyright to that by operation of the law. No symbol and no copyright notice is needed either, just makes it easier to defend. The only thing you have to be able to do is prove you created it.

@suvikyi For stuff like that, they copyright things like the composition, not the art. I honestly don't think there's much value in that... Has a legal case over a copyright like that ever been won? I'm not sure. It seems like paying for nothing.

@ItsSugarThyme @dVcxTwD9b4mGFSK @yakimanzyu0 @MaroYonebayashi As far as learning goes, it's considered transformative and falls firmly into fair use in most circumstances. The intent of an AI is not to plagiarize the work it is trained on, it is to synthesize novel content.

@dVcxTwD9b4mGFSK @yakimanzyu0 @MaroYonebayashi I'm not sure what the law is exactly in Japan, but I know in America, copyright is very strictly for human-made stuff. So there's a big difference between machine generated stuff and human-made content in the US.

AIが嫌われているのは他の人が描いたものを盗用しているからかと思っていたけど、そういうわけでもないんですね。 学んで生成しているという意味では人間が描く場合でも同様に盗用の可能性はある。 ではなぜAIで描いたものを使うといけないかというと、絵のAIくささと作り手の姿勢の問題？

This is not what's happening overseas, there are lawsuits, but over individual pieces of work. There is no blanket ruling against training as fair use. As far as rulings go for training, they're mostly in favor of the Fair Use Doctrine. There was one ruling against it, but they were training an AI that regurgitated text verbatim while also directly competing with them in business. Training on copyright works in America (provided they were obtained lawfully and not pirated) so far is perfectly fine. To my knowledge, only Suno as a service was shut down recently. As for criticism, there's truth to that on SNS, but regular people are indifferent and many of them even use or play around with gen AI.

@jbo293261440851 @tmichiaki It learns patterns like line thickness, shapes, styles, textures, lighting and anatomy, then it generates brand new pixels by reversing noise. It doesn't store tiny pieces of image and stitch them together.

@tmichiaki なら生成AIの仕組みを学んだキミが説明してあげれば？ 間違ってると否定するだけなら幼稚園児でもできるぞ 「ここがこう間違ってる」ときちんと理路整然と説明出来なきゃキミも何も学んでないのと一緒

つぎはぎ つぎはぎ つぎはぎ説消えないなー 生成AIの仕組みを学んだ方がいい もし仕組みを理解できたら、恥ずかしさでベッドに突っ伏して足をバタバタさせたくなるくらい つぎはぎ説は間違ってる 学んでも理解できなかったらすみません

@Samiwammywammy No, the risks that arise with a password or shared 2FA secret are nothing like the risks associated with digital ID verification. This is nothing like entering a password to access an account.

@suvikyi You can say the same thing about entering a password, or 2FA, you just have to go through it, because it's the only option.

dudes like this mf are the reason why id verification for porn sites are being scrapped💔

@Samiwammywammy Yeah, because that totally stops kids from getting alcohol right? It's sad the world is the way that it is, but any form of digital id verification is extremely prone to being abused, and we cannot trust it to be implemented safely by state actors.

@suvikyi When I mean id verification I mean like showing your id to buy alcohol, a real system that doesn't do shit to your id.

@WeebyRevy The ***** demon stare...

When a woman looks at you like this, it usually means something

@Samiwammywammy If you set up parental controls properly they're hard to bypass for most kids, it's really on the parents to do that. Everyone implementing an age verification system has either lied about not harvesting data or wound up leaking a mass amount of confidential information.

@suvikyi an easy unsupervised youtube video and boom, the kid is roaming.

@Samiwammywammy Okay, well, we have parental control systems that can block the vast majority of porn sites, there's no need to have invasive age verification systems put onto them.

@suvikyi i was talking about people 13 or older, for them, they arent being eagle eyed 24/7, theyve been taught enough to be let online freely by their parents, thats what i was talking about, parents should obviously be monitoring children.

@WeebyRevy Cyberpunk is definitely up there for me, RE4 too... but the original MGS over MGS3...?

Honestly true.

@Samiwammywammy I don't have a problem with that. The point isn't to grill you over being a Roblox dev. It's to get you to understand that we shouldn't be held accountable for the poor decisions of parents, just like you shouldn't be held accountable for the poor decisions of Roblox.

@suvikyi just doing my passion🤷‍♂️dont know what to tell you

@Samiwammywammy Doesn't matter, you contribute to the ecosystem and support it indirectly regardless. You drive metrics, increase ad revenue, player attention and valuation. A more ethical option exists, you know it does, and still choose not to take it. You're not void of accountability.

@suvikyi im just doing my passion on a development program, like any other, im saying thats its not my job to boss around roblox, but the people who are able to, i sit away from all the drama, nor do i support any of it, but that doesnt mean i have to go in, and quit because of it.