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@ExiGenC

Beigetreten Haziran 2017
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@YankeeLovesCats For someone defending a series that hinges on basically making up the story in your head out of teases, it's curious you couldn't tell this is what the post meant. Of course Death stays important when the whole manga talks about its descent, actual Death is severely underwhelming
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Yankee@YankeeLovesCats·
@ExiGenC Thats not what the original post says. And shes an actual character with depth. Her being a dry person is part of her appeal to me. Shes dry but that doesnt erase her complexities or quirks
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Yankee@YankeeLovesCats·
This is such a stupid take because she literally caused EVERYTHING going on in part 2 and her erasure lead to the world ending. How are thousands of people believing this?
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@FoolPlanet @witchbred Some details like characters we spent whole chapters or tens of chapters on and their arcs, prophecies foreshadowed, emotional stakes etc. It's not a style, it's called bad writing.
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「Indigo」⚢@FoolPlanet·
@witchbred You’re the one assuming that every detail needs to be addressed, sometimes some details aren’t important
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@FoolPlanet >Story addresses like 4 things and leaves the other 100 to interpretation "So tired of people who demand that stories address every single detail".
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Pochita also said that to denji, the whole part is centered on the fact that everything leads to denji no longer having to use the chainsaw and yet he does it anyway, leading to the disasters that we know.
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou I don't watch Jojo but from what I understand, at least one character there actually retained memories of the world. And it was also heavily foreshadowed throughout the part 6. It's a matter of execution, if a reset is foreshadowed while events still happen, the equation changes.
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou But I want to know, is this the state of mind you had at the end of Stone Ocean? Everyone lost, these 6 parts went through all that so that a child with a little determination killed the bad guy and by magic a parallel world was born with other people where everyone is happy
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@SpookiTree @CSMvizuals That's what people used to unsarcastically say in the early 2020s when Kobeni's character was still fresh in mind. But then so much time passed that the fandom got lobotomized into "yeah she never mattered". We, for some reason, got her male clone in the aquarium arc
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RageGS@SpookiTree·
@CSMvizuals SHE IS SO IMPORTANT TO STORY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PLOT HOLE
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou There are several messages that can be delivered about an ending that doesn't also sacrifice everything we read along a 7 year run as well. It's simply not worth it, it's completely loss ignorant to zero in on the small gains and what was traded off just because it's the end
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Maybe, but there are several messages behind that, it's not useless though. We as spectators can retain a moral and a message that the author sends to us. (endless greed, perversion of capitalism, finally letting go for others etc.)
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou The events are the consequence of one singular decision Pochita had the power to do at any time. The entirety of the history of this series isn't worth charging up one singular conclusion about Denji's life, and certainly not worth that plus all development of all lost
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Ok but I'm responding to this message initially, I find it false to say that it is no longer of interest, because even if Denji does not remember it. The events are the consequences of all that, it has weight and carries a message all the same
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou I didn't say it's like a dream, it's not. It simply never happened because the timeline got reset, which isn't much better at all. Reze's memory, Aki's memory, Asa's memory, everything we built up got undone instantly. It's anti poetic, tiny wins won't make up for everything lost
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou I am personally not totally convinced by this ending, however I cannot deny the poetry and philosophy that emerges from it. And I find the idea that it’s like “a dream” to be completely false, it's not the same thing at all.
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou It had more than a few effects, like Nayuta existing instead of Makima ( who wanted CSM ), problem is everything this story has been about was mechanically solved at the very end by Pochita pulling a deus ex, while also removing the entire development of the whole universe. Bad
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou It's not just a reset to chapter 1 ? we see that it had consequences, if only on the events with Asa, it also remains open to Denji's beating heart when she pronounces CSM. The reset was necessary according to Pochita because Denji and CSM could not live happily in the same world
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou A power that you introduce at the very end with no foreshadowing, explanation, preparation or lead to it is an asspull of the lowest quality. You cannot shield bad execution with surrealism because that implies any author can get away with any inconsistency, it's a bad precedent
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Moreover, these changes are caused by Pochita, so it's a power. Pochita's disappearance from this world could very well have more serious consequences than deletions caused by him
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou It is a plot device and it is an asspull. Many endings employ them, but "this thing used to do one thing, now at the very end it does something else entirely, and this is what the whole conclusion hinges on it" is a very poorly executed plot device
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Yes, it's probably a plot device, but it hasn't been contradicted in the work itself, so there's no reason it can't happen. As for the rest, I suggest you read my second message.
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou As I said, if the trade-off for the point that the erasure had to happen cause Pochita finally understood what Denji is about is that everything that happened to all characters in this series, including Denji, gets reset to chapter 1, it's simply bad. Less than a Pyrrhic victory.
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Yes, but to reach that point, these events had to happen. It's the chain of events that led to this erasure. In a dream, nothing happens, it's literally false, whereas here, from a narrative point of view, it really happened and it's important
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou You cannot honestly say something like that. That's the same argument you can use to excuse quite literally anything that would happen. "nothing has ever indicated that *fill in convenient blanks*". We go off what we were told and shown, like everything in any story
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou We have seen the use of powers from an external point of view, but nothing has ever indicated that this does not intrinsically alter the course of the world?
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou That's a matter of interpretation, but objective fact is that none of 231 chapters ever happened, what we essentially see are characters with the same names, looks and behaviours, yet different that the ones we knew for 7 years. They have none of the memory or the growth
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou I don't see the current chapter as a step backward, but rather a rewrite without the core concept of Chainsaw Man. Like in Life Is Strange, when you see the photos changing, it's shown that way because it concerns the main character.
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou Yew we do, we were shown many times how his powers work, and it was blatantly explained earlier in the series as well. This is one of the few things in this story that were crystal clear about the "combat system", and we couldn't even stick to it till the end.
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou We don't know exactly how Pochita's power works when he eliminates Nazis, for example. The world could very well have been rewritten without anyone realizing it. We don't know because we've never seen this power firsthand until now.
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou According to how his powers were shown to work. He doesn't reset the timeline as if the concept never existed, he removes it from present world. The trade-off for Pochita doing this for him is that everything that happened to and outside of him never happened anymore. That's bad
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou 1) according to what? That's called a last resort solution, I don't think anyone would want to sacrifice themselves. And events led to Denji being able to live the life he tried to have, but failed, wanting to continue being CSM rather than living the peaceful life he wanted.
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exigent six@ExiGenC·
@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou 1) First of all, Pochita shouldn't be able to do this cause that's not how his erasure works 2) IF Pochita was always able to do this, there were never any stakes no matter how low Denji ever got 3) All the growth, deaths and char threads of this whole series meant nothing
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ccbbcv@ccbbcv_·
@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Why would Pochita have done that without having witnessed Denji's perpetual failures and his relentless, greedy pursuit? Pochita can't see the future, you know. It's because of Denji's actions that he decided to do this.
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