@wieslawsoltes @jinekLESNIK @ScoutMW Rust is trademarked by the Rust Foundation. Python is trademarked by the PSF. Docker, Kubernetes, Linux, all trademarked.
Are these also not open source?
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Mike James
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Mike James
@MikeCodesDotNET
@AvaloniaUI. Formerly @Microsoft + @XamarinHQ. Views are my own, as are the ViewModels. Neurodiverse | Him/He
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@MikeCodesDotNET @jinekLESNIK @ScoutMW That just proves my claim Avalonia is not OSS anymore, its trademarked, literally you have trademarked Avalonia word, I literally said word Avalonia in my post. Slapping trademark on OSS software that is MIT licensed makes it impossible to be true OSS.
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The end of OSS for Avalonia is here #discussioncomment-16222358" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">github.com/AvaloniaUI/Ava… beware, time to find new UI framework I guess
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To be clear. @kekekeks isn't the contributor throwing our slop. He's on the receiving end of it.
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The particular 'contributor' has been vibe-coding slop knockoffs of our products, and is now complaining that we won't share our roadmap with him...
There's a limited market for vibe-coded slop alternatives. Customers ultimately want quality and stability.
Kekekeks@kekekeks
I'm so done with OSS. I do a refactoring to fix perf, it has a bug due to a typo. Bug is reported and a huge AI-slop PR arrives. I push one-line fix for the typo. Fast forward a month, the vibe-coder complains that his PR isn't getting traction and accuses for copying his AI fix.
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@jinekLESNIK @wieslawsoltes @ScoutMW MIT covers the code, not the branding. This is the norm for almost every established FOSS project.
You can fork Firefox, but you can't call your fork 'Firefox Community' or anything that uses their trademark.
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@wieslawsoltes @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK Yes. The source code. Avalonia's source code is free to use as well.
You clearly don't understand the difference between a licence for source code and a licence to use a trademark.
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@wieslawsoltes @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK By that logic, Linux isn't OSS as Linus Torvalds holds the trademark.
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@MikeCodesDotNET @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-sour… you can't distribute Avalonia freely as its trademarked now so you have to change name, this make it impossible to be reused without breaking ecosystem
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@wieslawsoltes @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK Avalonia is MIT licensed. It always has been. That's about as OSS as it gets.
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@MikeCodesDotNET @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK Avalonia is no longer OSS as its run and controlled fully by commercial entity, the process is now closed door as you don't share roadmaps and clearly prefer supporting commercial clients, which is 100% fine with me, but its not true OSS now.
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@wieslawsoltes @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK We're simply quoting you. You've been very transparent and consistent about using Codex to vibe code.
The actual low blow here is saying that Avalonia is no longer OSS because your PR didn't get merged.
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@MikeCodesDotNET @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK This is clearly taken out of context from my reply, pretty low blow from your side if you ask me x.com/wieslawsoltes/…
Wiesław Šoltés@wieslawsoltes
@CFDevelop @javarevisited At the scale of code I can code with coding agents no human or even company can review the code and when they are doing it I am moving on new features while they are stuck in the review
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@ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK Also I do not vibe code anything to be clear
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@wieslawsoltes @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK TreeDataGrid was almost exclusively developed by Steven (88% of all LOCs).
If we look at all @AvaloniaUI staff contributions, they account for 92.1% of the code.
Yes, you contributed some code, but let's not pretend you were the driving force behind this component.
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@ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK And here where they took OSS library to commercial product and I was contributing too github.com/wieslawsoltes/…
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@wieslawsoltes @ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK It's been explained countless times what happened. It was a side effect of leaving the .NET Foundation.
We tried repeatedly to sort it out with you, but you didn't engage.
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@ScoutMW @jinekLESNIK I was removed from Avalonia UI organization without any notice and lost access to my owner repositories, who is badly looking here
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@wieslawsoltes @kekekeks Understood. The repository is archived.
Thank you for contributing it to the project back in 2022. It served the community well.
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@MikeCodesDotNET @kekekeks I have forked my repo long time ago, you can archive
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@wieslawsoltes @kekekeks I've removed the link from our website and updated the DNS record to point to our docs.
Would you like me to transfer the repo to you? Otherwise, I'll archive it.
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@MikeCodesDotNET @kekekeks I know when it was developed, as I did it , do with it whatever you want
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@wieslawsoltes @kekekeks The playground isn't used for any commercial purposes.
The playground was also developed in early 2022, months before ChatGPT was even released.
If you'd like, I'll be happy to remove it.
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@kekekeks yes you keep using my AI slop on you commercial project play.avaloniaui.net #L3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">github.com/AvaloniaUI/Xam…
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@wieslawsoltes @Kruwed The first commit to our MAUI backend was in Sept.
We announced at .NET Conf as planned from the outset.
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@MikeCodesDotNET @Kruwed No I am just showing timeline of events. Nothing else.
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@wieslawsoltes @Kruwed I'm not sure what you're trying to show here.
Are you suggesting we created the MAUI backend in a few days as a direct response to your tweet?
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@wieslawsoltes @Kruwed We announced our MAUI backend to line up with .NET conf, after several months of development.
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@wieslawsoltes @Kruwed We're about to ship v12, which is entirely open-source.
Last week, we released the MAUI backend as FOSS and made one of our commercial components open-source as well.
The idea that we only focus on the commercial side simply doesn't hold up.
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@Kruwed They don't share roadmap, they focus only on commercial part, contributing to it is basically pointless, the remove many parts like dev tools a critical part and make it commercial and so on, data grid is basically useless. Had to fork many libraries to even keep development.
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@Kruwed @wieslawsoltes All contributions must meet our quality bar, which includes proper testing and validation, especially for changes that affect the rendering pipeline.
A PR opened 1 month before a major release that changes fundamental behaviour isn't something we'll ever rush to merge.
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@Kruwed @wieslawsoltes It's not the end of OSS for Avalonia; your PR just hadn't been reviewed yet. We're busy working on shipping v12.
Avalonia remains open-source, and we continue to use our existing PR review process.
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