@Segah02457547 While I love anime and manga and wouldnt want to be deprived of it, I dont believe that people are entitled to something just because it exists.
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NoSave//Lost
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NoSave//Lost
@NoSaveLost
Fighting mainstream dilution & algo tyranny in anime/gaming fandoms—from the void. Who's with me? #GoldenAgeRevival
Beigetreten Kasım 2025
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公式からの供給が潤沢にある地域の人間がそれがない地域の人間に「供給がないなら観るな」と放言するの、マリー・アントワネットの「パンがなければケーキを食べれば良いじゃない」発言並みに無神経かつ傲慢だと思う。
んぱんぱ@現代日本人の感染症差別は世界一悪質@dreamnpk97
まさにこれだよ、地方育ちのオタクと都会育ちのオタクが絶望的に相容れない壁みたいなのを感じる瞬間…都会育ちのオタクは恵まれている自覚がまるで無いんだよ。 私は個人的に南米とかのケースのほうがマジで共感しやすい。善意じゃありません、単純に境遇が近く感じます。
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they literally are creating and supporting porn addict men that will NOT think of women as people and will push unrealistic harmful stereotypes onto them. no venom shaking ass is not that same and doesn’t make this game any better btw
liv🦋@rainyloona
why the hell is she bent like this.
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@rainyloona All the replies trying to give a canon explanation for why she looks like that, or "have you seen cats!?" Its because she looks sexy. Thats it.
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Hot take:
I miss the days of filler.
Back in the 90s-2000s, anime like DRAGON Ball Z, Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece would get long runs packed with filler arcs. Studios dragged things out to let the manga catch up, then adapted the canon faithfully. Sure, it could be a pain watching weekly with all the padding... but it meant you eventually got the full story.
Now in the late 2010s-2020s? It's the "Game of Thrones" treatment. Seasonal anime with high animation quality, but often rushed pacing, cut scenes, and condensed material. Fire Force S3 crammed ~88 chapters into 13 episodes and trimmed side fights. Solo Leveling skips a lot of lore and character moments for non-stop action.
There are exceptions both ways—some modern adaptations like Frieren or Vinland Saga are tight and faithful, while a few older ones went off the rails too.
Give me the old drawn-out style with more faithful adaptations any day. Filler sucks while it's airing, but on rewatches you can just skip it and still see the whole story. Or if you're like me, you enjoy the extra episodes because it means more time spent with the characters. What do you think?
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NoSave//Lost retweetet
The reason the Japanese seem to get a pass when it comes to Americans loving people from a completely distinct nation, culture, race, and religion is important for everyone to note
1- they have a clean, high trust, low crime, high functioning, society
2- they are respectful people
3- they appreciate your culture while maintaining their own, what they imitate they do with joy and respect
4- they are distinctly and uniquely Japanese and are proud to be so
5- they don't demand of you or your culture, they just appreciate what they like
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I mostly stay away from X for a couple months and I come back to the U.S. and Japan like this.
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NoSave//Lost retweetet
If you truly think Japan is a good country,
then please make an effort to make your own country more like Japan…
You can start with simple things.
“Be polite and keep clean.”
If all you do is devour and destroy what other countries have built,
then you’re no different from a swarm of locusts… or something equivalent.😑
燃えたいゴミ！！@gamu0514
This is important, so I’m writing it down. I am Japanese. When I go to another country, I enter only with that country’s permission. That permission is, in fact, me being granted a privilege. If I break the rules of that country, that privilege will be revoked. This is completely obvious and natural. It is not a human rights issue.😑
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The government isn't deporting people because they exist. They're deporting people because they committed the crime of illegal immigration. As a white american, if i traveled into Canada or the UK without going through border security, showing my passport, filling out the required paperwork and then going through the long process to achieve citizenship or get a visa I would be arrested for commiting a crime, and then deported because I dont belong there.
Also, can we stop trying to moralize by using the opinions and slogans of fictional characters? If you think that that's something serious adults do, then we might as well ask Winnie The Pooh about his thoughts on honey theft.
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A quote from 'One Piece' was spotted during protests against ICE
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I personally don't find the actress attractive. That goes into my larger belief that this generation has extremely low beauty standards, I would also have trouble thinking of a white actress from this generation that meets my ideal. But more importantly than my ideal, Lupita certainly doesn't meet the idealized Greek beauty. The characteristics of which Homer describes.
Somewhat related, I could also complain that Matt Damon's Odysseus is wearing pants.
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@NoSaveLost @DanFriedman81 The Oath of Tyndareus doesn't change the fact that Lupita is a beautiful woman which is what OP is arguing against, that she is too ugly to plausibly play Helen.
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Well, yes and no. The reason everybody went to war was that Paris stole Menelaus’s wife. It was a major international incident, and Agamemnon wanted to sack Troy and was basically looking for an excuse.
Achilles was there because of alliances and obligations. Odysseus didn’t give a shit about Helen and tried very hard to get out of going to war.
Hector had to fight to defend Troy because there was no way to unfuck the situation. If they could have resolved the conflict by giving the girl back or even giving over Paris, Hector and Priam probably would have done it.
If Helen had not been so beautiful, Paris might not have risked the lives of every man in his father’s kingdom to start a war for her, and if she had not been so beautiful, Menelaus probably would not have reconciled with her after the fall of Troy and she would gone back as a slave instead of a queen.
vittorio@IterIntellectus
anyone with an IQ above 85 understands that the iliad and the odyssey are fictional epics. no one is debating whether her mom actually got knocked up by a god in swan form. we all know it's myth. but what people like this can't seem to grasp is that the books are real. the iliad is a real text. the odyssey is a real text. they have specific contents and those contents are not arbitrary. the elements in these stories exist to justify the actions taken in the stories. helen's not a real person, but she is a real character in the books, and her beauty is not up for debate. it's the causal mechanism for everything that follows. the entire premise of the trojan war is: "what happens when the most beautiful woman in the world is taken" not "a woman" or "an ugly woman." THE most beautiful woman alive. that's the load-bearing element of the whole trojan war. that's why agamemnon sends a thousand ships and why achilles and hector die. that's why troy burns. you remove that element, and the actions stop making sense. why would the greeks wage a decade-long war and sacrifice their greatest heroes over someone this ugly? they wouldn't and the story collapses. there's no "historical accuracy" for a myth. this is about internal coherence. fiction has rules and the rules come from the text itself. you want to make a new story with different characters? make it. no one is stopping you. people will judge it on its own merits. but when you take an existing story and remove the element that makes the plot function, you haven't "adapted" anything the story is ruined, there's no point anymore, people will be confused and won't understand the message of it. the history of one of the most important masterpieces of western culture will be desecrated, homer insulted, and you'll get your DEI golden star. well done
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Musk is spot on—Nolan loses integrity by ignoring Homer's "fair-haired, white-armed" Helen, the inherited archetype of beauty that's sparked cultural imagination for 3,000 years, launching ships and wars in our shared mythic legacy. This isn't bias or "realism" nitpicking; it's fidelity to source descriptors amid blatant double standards—we decry whitewashing (e.g., Gerard Butler in Gods of Egypt) as cultural erasure, but defend this as "fantasy freedom" or "irrelevant race"? If ethnicity truly doesn't matter, apply it consistently; otherwise, uplift fresh myths like Anansi tales for talents like Lupita. Preserve classics, don't retrofit them. #TheOdyssey
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Elon Musk says Christopher Nolan has "lost his integrity" if Lupita Nyong'o is playing Helen of Troy in #TheOdyssey.
One X user claimed that if Nyong’o plays Helen of Troy, it is “an insult” to the Greek poet Homer, who wrote “The Odyssey” around 700 BCE, because he originally described the fictonal character as “fair skinned, blonde, and ‘the face that launched a thousand ships’ because she was so beautiful that men started a war over her.” Musk later commented on the post: “Chris Nolan has lost his integrity.”
variety.com/2026/film/news…
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Sure, Helen's mythological—so why ignore Homer's explicit "fair-haired" and "white-armed" descriptors that shaped her archetype in Greek art and lore for 3,000 years? This isn't about excluding talent like Lupita or strict realism; it's about cultural fidelity to source material without double standards— we slam whitewashing (e.g., Christian Bale as Moses in Exodus: Gods and Kings, Gerard Butler in Gods of Egypt) as erasure, but defend swapping white/European icons as "progressive." If race truly doesn't matter, apply it evenly; otherwise, amplify fresh epics like the Epic of Gilgamesh or Popol Vuh for real inclusivity, not retrofits that dilute timeless myths.
Richard Newby - Illegitimi non carborundum@NewbyRichard3
Helen of Troy is a mythological figure. She can be played by anyone. Her race is unimportant to the narrative. Diane Kruger’s not Greek either. Lupita Nyong’o hasn’t even been confirmed for the role but she’s one of our most beautiful actresses. Don’t be a stupid, racist grifter.
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If you're just talking box office, sure—Nolan's a draw, it'll rake in cash regardless. But equating this to Alec Guinness's whitewashing of Prince Faisal in Lawrence of Arabia (a 'sin of the past' we now rightly criticize as insensitive and inaccurate) isn't the flex you think it is. We've evolved past defending such mismatches; why regress now when we know better?
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@SidesMars @NoSaveLost It will should not hurt the film any more than casting Alec Guinness as Prince Faisal of Arabia hurt Lawrence of Arabia.
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1. Casting isn’t confirmed.
2. We don’t know if Helen of Troy was real.
3. If she was, she also didn’t look like Diane Kruger.
4. Lupita is pretty; that’s the narrative point.
5. The ancients didn’t think about race like we do.
Also, it’s not a f***ing documentary.
🏛 𝐒𝐭𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 🏛@nonregemesse
First look at Lupita Nyong’o as Helen of Troy in Christopher Nolan’s Odyssey
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You're right that 'white-armed' (λευκώλενος) is a Homeric stock epithet for beauty, used for Hera, Andromache, etc.—it evokes unblemished, pale skin as an ideal in a sun-exposed Mediterranean world, where lighter features signaled status/leisure. Similarly, 'xanthē' (ξανθή) is debated but classically means yellowish-blond or tawny hair, often rendered as 'fair-haired' in translations (e.g., Lattimore, Fagles)—not just 'radiant.' These aren't rigid racial codes, but they paint a consistent mythic archetype: Helen as the pinnacle of Hellenic beauty, visualized lightly in ancient art (vases, sculptures) for millennia. Dismissing them as mere 'poetic conventions' downplays how they shape the character's resonance.
On Damon/Pattinson: as i acknowledged—ancient Greeks were diverse (darker olive tones common), but myths idealized fairer traits (e.g., gods like Apollo as golden-haired). Northern European actors approximate that idealized aesthetic better than alternatives, and the 'white' lumping you mention actually highlights why race-swaps feel jarring: cultural expectations aren't colorblind. We notice when it deviates from the inherited imagery.
Re: consistency—if skin tone's truly irrelevant in fiction, kudos for holding that line. But in practice, it's rarely applied evenly; whitewashing (e.g., Exodus: Gods and Kings) gets slammed as insensitive, while the reverse often gets a pass as 'inclusive.' If Lupita's Helen works because her dad's a swan (fantasy!), then why not a white Mulan or Black Panther? The logic holds only if we treat all myths equally adaptable—yet we don't, out of respect for cultural origins.
Totally agree on amplifying Sundiata/Ramayana/Shahnameh—that's the win-win for fresh myths without shallow "representation". And on art transcending intent: I'll have to take your word for it on (I Am Cuba), haven't seen it. But fidelity to source descriptors often amplifies what comes through—altering them risks making the art feel like a modern overlay, less enduring. Why not let the classics stand as they are, and innovate elsewhere?
I’ve addressed the epithets elsewhere in the thread. “White-armed” is a stock beauty marker Homer applies to multiple women, including Hera. “Xanthē” is contested. It can mean golden, auburn, or radiant. These are poetic conventions, not racial specifications. And actors like Damon and Pattinson don’t “visually approximate” ancient Greeks. They’re Northern Europeans. The Greeks were Mediterranean. We just don’t notice the mismatch because we’ve lumped them all into “white.”
On the double standard: that’s a good argument to have with someone else. I’m very consistent on this. In narrative fiction, so long as a character’s skin tone is irrelevant to the story, you have a great deal of latitude with casting. I don’t have different rules for different directions.
And I agree, amplify the Sundiata, the Ramayana, the Shahnameh. But that’s a separate conversation from whether Lupita can play a mythological character whose father was a swan.
The one thing I would add is that I care a lot more about what comes through the art than directorial intent. The guys behind Soy Cuba thought they were making a Marxist revolutionary film. The Cubans thought it was flattering of capitalism, so they censored it for decades. Art is bigger than the intentions behind it.
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You're missing the nuance—cultural fidelity means honoring the source material's explicit descriptions and iconic visuals passed down through Greek art, poetry, and adaptations for 3,000 years. Helen isn't vaguely described; Homer calls her "fair-haired" (ξανθὴ) and "white-armed" (λευκώλενος), traits central to her archetype as the Hellenic ideal of beauty that ignites the Trojan War. Actors like Damon or Pattinson aren't ancient Greeks (obviously), but they visually approximate those longstanding ideals without rewriting them—unlike swaps that ignore the text.
If the goal is "bringing the story forward for modern audiences," sure, adaptations evolve (e.g., modern settings like O Brother, Where Art Thou?). But "updating" by dismissing core descriptors isn't true relatability; it's often injecting contemporary agendas that dilute the myth's timeless power. The Odyssey's themes—fate, cunning, homecoming—are universal precisely because they're rooted in specific cultural origins, not mirrored to today's demographics. For real inclusivity, why not amplify underrepresented epics (e.g., African Sundiata or Asian Ramayana) instead of retrofitting Greek ones?
And if race "isn't core to the character," then why the double standard? We condemn whitewashing non-white roles (e.g., Scarlett Johansson in Ghost in the Shell or Gods of Egypt's cast), calling it erasure, but defend swapping white/European archetypes as "progressive" or irrelevant (e.g., Halle Bailey's Ariel). Consistent respect for sources means applying the same logic both ways—otherwise, it's cherry-picking for optics, not storytelling. If we ignore that, why adapt classics at all?
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@NoSaveLost If you want to make it about cultural fidelity then literally none of the cast works because the Ancient Greeks did not draw cultural distinctions the way we do. Matt Damon, Robert Pattinson, Anne Hathaway, Mia Goth, John Leguizamo — none of these actors work either.
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See, that kind of thinking would make sense for why wakanda SHOULDNT be technologically advanced. They had special space rocks but so what? If they didnt have the knowledge gained by interacting with other countries then vibranium would just be a useless rock. So youre logic makes sense in the real world, But since canonically they got that advanced DESPITE being isolationist, within the logic of the universe they really dont need anybody else.
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TRADING with people uplifts them. That's where Wakanda goes crazy... it ignores that there are gains from trade to both parties.
Not only does Wakanda keep the rest of the continent in poverty and disease, they make themselves poorer than they would have been. It's vicious, negative-sum thinking.
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The social message expressed in Black Panther fell apart on the second watch, like a lot of it, for one reason. Why does Wakanda owe anyone anything, especially the diaspora or the rest of the continent?
They’ve got the population of Missouri and are supposed to open themselves up for what reason exactly?
“You should help people”
But let’s think about the numbers involved here for a second.
It’s like how people think $8 billion will solve world hunger because they failed fourth grade math for some reason.
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@LostHistory9 I'm not sure that I have the patience to teach. But I'd be willing to teach someone to read just so that they could experience The Silmarillion.
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The Silmarillion is an easy read.
Don't listen to the people who picked it up for 5 seconds then never opened it again.
This meme really does need to die.
Lord of the Rings Daily@LOTR_Daily_
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I'm an American. Anime was not made with my country and it's culture as the intended audience. I hope it stays that way.
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