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♀︎夢/腐 何でも

Beigetreten Ağustos 2024
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MAO@RINMM17·
何が一番やばいかと言いますと (①今回のトドメとなった数字②声優降板の原因)この2点って、どちらも過去に日本が実際にやらかした重大な歴史問題なんです。 【それに対して今、日本サーバーで、日本人ユーザーが、署名活動を起こしている】 ……これがどういう意味を持つのか、想像できますよね?
おすたらい@osutarai

今は本当にやめてほしい。どうして今あちらで炎上したのか理解してますか?理解ができないならやめてください。理解ができてるなら余計にやめてください。○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○レイを殺す気ですか? fse.tw/MV6uEsWc

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Salahuddin☫
Salahuddin☫@Salahuddin_quds·
これもう日中対立の"本質"だろ
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でみ汰
でみ汰@demingo424·
抜粋: 現状をはっきりさせておきましょう。これはもはやプレイヤー間の争いではありません。もはやあなたの感情や私たちの感情の問題でもありません。 中国政府はこの事態を認識しています。本日現在、中央党機関から地方紙、全国婦女連合会から司法機関に至るまで、あらゆるレベルの国営メディアが責任追及を求める批判的な報道を行っています。検察庁は、このゲームの内容が公序良俗と国民感情に関する規制に違反しているとして、正式な法的見解を発表しました。国営メディアは、同社に「根本的な改革」を求めています。この会社が今後どのような事態に直面するかは、未だに不透明です。
Jay@JayShan0506

I'm a CN player. I'm a Caleb stan. And I'm done being polite about this. You don't get to call an entire player base racist while knowing absolutely nothing about what actually happened. So sit down and read. CN players didn't wake up one morning and decide to cancel a character because of his skin color. We spent 500+ days waiting for main story updates that never came. We watched the company fail to deliver content for five existing characters while announcing a sixth — breaking an explicit promise of "no new love interests." In 2025, Love and Deepspace ranked #1 on China's largest consumer complaint platform with 3,406 cases about unequal resource distribution. This rage was years in the making. Valko was the last straw, not the cause. Then we found a drug experimentation record inside the game numbered 0731. If that means nothing to you, that's your ignorance, not our problem. Unit 731 was a Japanese military program that conducted live human experiments — vivisections, biological warfare, forced infections — on thousands of Chinese civilians and POWs during WWII. The in-game record included the name 严颂, a phonetic match to Japanese researchers from the unit, within a full narrative of injection protocols, endurance testing, and forced mental control. Players reported this through customer service when it first launched. It was ignored. The company later called it "a random placeholder number." Six state media systems, a national think tank, and a prosecutor's office publicly called that a lie. Now let me tell you why you had no idea about any of this. The company deliberately gutted every trace of Chinese identity from your version of the game. Chinese New Year's Eve was deleted from the script. The Lantern Festival greeting was removed across every language version — Chinese, English, Japanese, Korean — while the holiday imagery was kept, proving it was a deliberate directive, not a translation choice. Mid-Autumn Festival was renamed to a fictional name. Christmas and Halloween? Kept their real names. Chinese text was manually redrawn out of cutscene animations. Chinese food was erased from date scenes — four date menus, zero Chinese dishes, in a game made by a Chinese company. A calligraphy illustration had its Chinese characters scrubbed for international release. A government-backed collaboration promoting Chinese sports culture at the Asian Winter Games was posted three times domestically and zero times on any international channel. You were handed a product that was systematically stripped of its origin. And now you have the audacity to tell us our concerns don't matter — while consuming a game built on Chinese players' money and Chinese creators' labor. The apology letter you received was also different from ours. Your version said "we weren't ready to introduce Valko." Our version acknowledged broken promises, failed content delivery, and systemic trust collapse. Same company, same decision, two completely different explanations — designed so that you'd blame us instead of them. And it worked. Here you are, calling us racist, while the company that lied to both of us watches from the sidelines. And let me be absolutely clear about where things stand right now. This is no longer a player dispute. This is no longer about your feelings or ours. The Chinese government has taken notice. As of today, state media outlets at every level — from central party organs to provincial papers, from the national women's federation to the legal system — have published critical coverage demanding accountability. A prosecutor's office has issued a formal legal characterization of the game's content as violating regulations on public morality and national sentiment. State media are calling for the company to undergo "fundamental reform." Whether this company can survive what comes next is an open question. Your anger in our comment sections changes nothing. The character was not cancelled because of tweets or Reddit threads. It was cancelled because institutional power stepped in. And that same institutional power is still escalating, not retreating. You are screaming at the wrong people about a situation you fundamentally do not control and do not understand. So no. We are not "xenophobic" for refusing to let a company monetize our historical trauma. We are not throwing "toddler tantrums" for demanding accountability after 500 days of broken promises. And we are certainly not going to apologize for defending a position that our own government, our own judiciary, and our own national media have now publicly endorsed. You want to be angry? Be angry at the company that decided you didn't deserve the truth. Or don't. But understand this: your ignorance was manufactured, your outrage was engineered, and the people you're defending don't even respect you enough to tell you the same story they told us. One last thing. Before you reply, ask yourself whether you can dispute a single fact in this post — not with feelings, not with "well I don't care about 731," not with "China is racist" — but with a single verifiable fact that proves anything I said is wrong. If you can't, then you don't have a counterargument. You have a reaction. And reactions don't change reality. Every claim above is backed by public data, official media coverage, in-game evidence, and documented company behavior. If you choose to ignore all of it because it's easier to blame Chinese players than to confront what this company did to all of us, that's your choice. But don't mistake your comfort for the truth.

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あなご@n2irzu·
大半の日本ユーザは、今回のことを「ロウガが気に食わない過激な本国ユーザが暴力で紙に圧力をかけ、それに屈した紙がロウガを消す事態に追い込まれた」と認識しているようであり、そしてそれに対して感情論で取り消しの取り消しを求めているように見える。だから、仮にロウガを「取り戻せた」としたら
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I'm a CN player. I'm a Caleb stan. And I'm done being polite about this. You don't get to call an entire player base racist while knowing absolutely nothing about what actually happened. So sit down and read. CN players didn't wake up one morning and decide to cancel a character because of his skin color. We spent 500+ days waiting for main story updates that never came. We watched the company fail to deliver content for five existing characters while announcing a sixth — breaking an explicit promise of "no new love interests." In 2025, Love and Deepspace ranked #1 on China's largest consumer complaint platform with 3,406 cases about unequal resource distribution. This rage was years in the making. Valko was the last straw, not the cause. Then we found a drug experimentation record inside the game numbered 0731. If that means nothing to you, that's your ignorance, not our problem. Unit 731 was a Japanese military program that conducted live human experiments — vivisections, biological warfare, forced infections — on thousands of Chinese civilians and POWs during WWII. The in-game record included the name 严颂, a phonetic match to Japanese researchers from the unit, within a full narrative of injection protocols, endurance testing, and forced mental control. Players reported this through customer service when it first launched. It was ignored. The company later called it "a random placeholder number." Six state media systems, a national think tank, and a prosecutor's office publicly called that a lie. Now let me tell you why you had no idea about any of this. The company deliberately gutted every trace of Chinese identity from your version of the game. Chinese New Year's Eve was deleted from the script. The Lantern Festival greeting was removed across every language version — Chinese, English, Japanese, Korean — while the holiday imagery was kept, proving it was a deliberate directive, not a translation choice. Mid-Autumn Festival was renamed to a fictional name. Christmas and Halloween? Kept their real names. Chinese text was manually redrawn out of cutscene animations. Chinese food was erased from date scenes — four date menus, zero Chinese dishes, in a game made by a Chinese company. A calligraphy illustration had its Chinese characters scrubbed for international release. A government-backed collaboration promoting Chinese sports culture at the Asian Winter Games was posted three times domestically and zero times on any international channel. You were handed a product that was systematically stripped of its origin. And now you have the audacity to tell us our concerns don't matter — while consuming a game built on Chinese players' money and Chinese creators' labor. The apology letter you received was also different from ours. Your version said "we weren't ready to introduce Valko." Our version acknowledged broken promises, failed content delivery, and systemic trust collapse. Same company, same decision, two completely different explanations — designed so that you'd blame us instead of them. And it worked. Here you are, calling us racist, while the company that lied to both of us watches from the sidelines. And let me be absolutely clear about where things stand right now. This is no longer a player dispute. This is no longer about your feelings or ours. The Chinese government has taken notice. As of today, state media outlets at every level — from central party organs to provincial papers, from the national women's federation to the legal system — have published critical coverage demanding accountability. A prosecutor's office has issued a formal legal characterization of the game's content as violating regulations on public morality and national sentiment. State media are calling for the company to undergo "fundamental reform." Whether this company can survive what comes next is an open question. Your anger in our comment sections changes nothing. The character was not cancelled because of tweets or Reddit threads. It was cancelled because institutional power stepped in. And that same institutional power is still escalating, not retreating. You are screaming at the wrong people about a situation you fundamentally do not control and do not understand. So no. We are not "xenophobic" for refusing to let a company monetize our historical trauma. We are not throwing "toddler tantrums" for demanding accountability after 500 days of broken promises. And we are certainly not going to apologize for defending a position that our own government, our own judiciary, and our own national media have now publicly endorsed. You want to be angry? Be angry at the company that decided you didn't deserve the truth. Or don't. But understand this: your ignorance was manufactured, your outrage was engineered, and the people you're defending don't even respect you enough to tell you the same story they told us. One last thing. Before you reply, ask yourself whether you can dispute a single fact in this post — not with feelings, not with "well I don't care about 731," not with "China is racist" — but with a single verifiable fact that proves anything I said is wrong. If you can't, then you don't have a counterargument. You have a reaction. And reactions don't change reality. Every claim above is backed by public data, official media coverage, in-game evidence, and documented company behavior. If you choose to ignore all of it because it's easier to blame Chinese players than to confront what this company did to all of us, that's your choice. But don't mistake your comfort for the truth.
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🥃@Sake_30·
@RyosukeTsukiyo 長文になってしまったため、画像にて失礼致します。 理解しろと言うつもりは毛頭ございません。 私の引用に付き合って下さりありがとうございます、これ以上貴方様と言い合うつもりはありません。同じゲームを楽しむ者として、お互いが気持ちよく遊べる環境になることを願っています。失礼致します。
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月夜猟介🌙💜腐男子Vtuber
本国ユーザーが「会社に牛糞や呪いの旗を送りつけたり強迫行為を行なっている」というネット記事を見ました。当然現地を見たわけではありませんが、事実として「日本人は私達を攻撃するくらい暇なら運営に牛糞を送るべきだ」と発言している本国ユーザーを見ました。 それはもしかすると本国の常識では当たり前のことなのかもしれません。しかし日本の常識では、正当な訴え方とは到底思えない品格を欠いた行為です。たとえどんなに悪いことだとしても「運営が悪いことをしたから嫌がらせをしても良い」というのはおかしいと思います。 例えば日本の企業が原爆を揶揄するようなことを発言したとしても、その企業に排泄物を送りつけるようなことをする人は罰せられるでしょう。 そのような行為によって無理やり自分たちの要望を押し通そうとすることを『ゴネ得』と表現しましたが、『嫌がらせや脅迫行為』とはっきり言った方が、私の正しい意図が伝わったかもしれません。 「本国では当たり前のことだから」と言われればそれまでかもしれませんが… 日本の価値観では理解できない部分があることと、本国ユーザーの全てがそのような攻撃的な人ではないことは理解していますが、申し訳ありませんが、やはり私の価値観では自分勝手で間違った行動に見えてしまいました。 国同士で争いたいわけではありません。 そして現状を悲しんでいる本国ユーザーや、心ない発言をする日本ユーザーももちろん見かけました。 私も貴方が悲しまれていることが伝わりました。本国の方全員がそのような方たちだと思っているわけでは決してありません。こちらこそ、不快な気持ちにさせてしまい申し訳ありませんでした。
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🥃@Sake_30·
辛い気持ちはわかるけど活動者ならこういう何が起きてどういう問題があってこうなったのか調べもしてない発信はやめて欲しい。 関係も悪くなる一方だし、寄り添おうとしてる人の努力も無駄になる 頼むからちゃんと調べてから言って欲しい。本当にこのゲームが好きなのなら尚更
月夜猟介🌙💜腐男子Vtuber@RyosukeTsukiyo

一つだけ… 「ロウガを取消し出来るならレイの声優も変えないで欲しかった。運営に失望した」って言う人いるけど、逆だよ… ロウガが取消になったのも、レイの声優が変わったのも「過激な声や圧力に運営が従わざるを得ない状況になったから」だよ… どちらも『ゴネ得の前例ができた』ってことだよ…

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カホン@ZGY_asaka·
今の状況ってかなり混乱していて どんな意見にも必ずバイアスは入ってると思う(自分も例外じゃない) 特に事実の説明は、ちゃんと自分で調べてから判断したほうがいい 今はネットで簡単に確認できるのに、噂だけで「そうらしいよ」って広めるのは危ないと思う 誰かの駒になるぞ
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왓슨@PDThemis·
지금 샴페인 터트릴때가 아님 현재 파페는 상장이 되지않은 회사고 등록지도 중국내로 돼있음. 그래서 바로 지금이 중국의 법으로서 파페를 다스릴 수 있는 기회임 지금 우리가 승리한 줄 알고 현질하다가 파페를 상장 조건에 도달하게 만들어주면 얘네 홍콩, 마카오, 대만같은데로 등록지를 변경할수도 있음. 그렇게되면 대부분의 중국법으로는 파페를 어쩌지 못함. 중졔들도 어떻게 할 수 없단 말임. 그때돼서 또 다시 5남주를 어떻게 하든 특별만남 캐릭터를 추가할수도 있지 게다가 오늘 올라온 공지엔 직인도 없거든 말을 바꿀 줄 어케 알아? 이미 신뢰가 깨져버림 개다가 云서버 이용약관에 추가된 항목이 있음. [파페를 정치적, 공적인 사안에 휘말리게 하면 님한테 서비스하는 거 멈출 권리가 있음] ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ얘네 지금 반성 안하고있는거임 이거말고도 더 많은데 나 아니여도 다른 중졔들이 많이 알리고 있으니까 찾아보셈 완벽한 승리를 위해 적어도 몇달은 접속, 일퀘, 현질 멈췄으면 함
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🥃@Sake_30·
普通に戦闘モーションとかも結構好きで見た目も好きだったんだけどな、、、取り消しはほんとに悲しい、、
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でみ汰@demingo424·
🇨🇳ユーザーはお行儀よく課金を引き上げ署名して集団で苦情を入れただけ。法律違反の可能性から集団訴訟を計画してたここまでは🇨🇳ユーザー。 ユーザーかライバル会社のスパイか愉快犯か、まったく不明な誰かが告発した、ゲームに含まれてた数字事件以降は完全に🇨🇳ユーザーの手に負えない状況になってたわけで、会社のビルに生卵ぶつけに行ったり攻撃しにいった愛国者(一般人)がいたことすら🇨🇳ユーザーのせいにするならもう なんていうか
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カホン@ZGY_asaka·
モーリーティのコラボそもそも6月21日終了予定なのに この事件でコラボ終了ーーって どこからの話? お願いだから、調べたらすぐわかる情報なので、デマを拡散しないでほしい
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🥃@Sake_30·
@demingo424 でみ汰様のような方が情報等を分かりやすくまとめて発信してくださる事とてもありがたく思っております。 私は文章やまとめることが苦手ですので拡散することしかできませんが、、
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🥃@Sake_30·
@demingo424 キャラクターに対する思いは人それぞれですし、私は全ての意見に同意出来ます。 今回ばかりは本当に運営側の判断に問題があるとしか思えませんし彼の名前や今回の事件を使って個人や国を叩くようなことをしている人や理解をせず悪と決めつける人を見るととても悲しくなります。
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でみ汰@demingo424·
主人公=私はスパイなんかじゃない!!って言ってる🇨🇳ユーザーがいて一体何のことかと思ったら、PVで使われてる「人狼入室」って「敵をわざわざ引き入れる」って意味で使われる言葉だそうで… EVERの関連企業のCEOである新キャラと恋愛するってときにそれか… もう数字の件といい、鍋の件といい、彼の周りは中国人にしかわからないネガティブな匂わせばかりで、公式が一体何を考えてるのかまttttったくわかんない 🐺への嫌がらせだよもはや
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你的男神我的杯我想法飞就法飞
决定退游了,我不知道公司是怎么了,那个pot是在做什么,说是在玩梗,谁不知道2024年轰动全国的惨案,他们嘻嘻哈哈说这是架空你想多了就忽悠过去了。 我真晕了怎么能如此恶心。
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🥃@Sake_30·
@Gdht31Pg4ZK6yab 日本に置き換えるならコンクリート事件や原爆レベルのタブーな話ですし、逆の立場なら同じこと、個人的解釈ですがそれ以上の事が起きると思うんです。日本の方は良くも悪くも愛国心が強い傾向にあるので。 わがままやただのゴネとされたり、プレイヤーや人を否定するのは見ていて悲しいです🥲
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さちこ@Gdht31Pg4ZK6yab·
@Sake_30 レイ先生はそれこそ中国の方々の事考えると仕方ない気もしますよね あくまで憶測の範囲でないですし 我儘が通ることが分かったらそれこそ他の界隈にも、という心配は分からなくは無いんですけどね 今回の問題を我儘にするのはそもそも無茶ですよ 結論1番悪手をついてきたのは運営なんですもん
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さちこ@Gdht31Pg4ZK6yab·
あれはゴネじゃないよ 読解力と理解力もう一回学び直せ
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そら@sora_ao_0222·
一方で、中国人だからと人種で一括りにするのではなく、なぜこのような悲しい出来事が起こってしまったのかという本質的な部分は誤らずに見極めたいとも思う。恐らく本国のユーザーの中にもロウガ実装を心待ちにしていた方もいらっしゃったと思うし。
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🥃@Sake_30·
@Gdht31Pg4ZK6yab 本当に、、、私自身中国に行く機会が多々あり本国の方との交流も多くあるので前回のレイ先生の件や今回の件を使って中国を叩く反中の方々にも嫌気がさしますしとても悲しくなります。 運営には説明責任を果たしてもらいたいものです、、、
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さちこ@Gdht31Pg4ZK6yab·
@Sake_30 そうなんです! 恋と深空通して中国、韓国初め海外のお姉様方のこと知ってとっても大好きになったし今回の事も日本が黙って耐えるだけならまだしもハンターに攻撃するのはちょっと…
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🥃@Sake_30·
@RyosukeTsukiyo 私も自分が100%正しいとても言えませんし貴方様が理解しようと色々な情報を見ようとしてくださった事は文章をみて感じました。ありがとうございます。 私自身少し言葉が強くなってしまったと反省しております。悲しい情報が飛び交う中このような話をしてしまい申し訳ありません。
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🥃@Sake_30·
@RyosukeTsukiyo お返事ありがとうございます。 それを踏まえても「ゴネ得」は不適切ではないでしょうか、ただのわがままを通したと悪い印象を与えるばかりだと思います。ただのゴネや、単純なわがままではないんです。 私の言葉では正確に伝えられるか分からないため共有する形にてお返事させていただきます。
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#恋与深空 #LoveandDeepspace #恋と深空 #러브앤딥스페이스 我写了大概三个多小时,因为文化差异和语言的问题,很多国外玩家不理解这件事在中国有多严重,也不清楚valko和政治立场是怎么扯上关系的,总而言之我梳理了整个事情的发展过程,有什么遗漏的麻烦中国玩家替我补充,海外玩家不理解友好提出。

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