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@charliekirky88 @claironated that’s a belief, not a universal rule. you can’t build a whole moral conclusion on a premise not everyone shares.

@claironated @bringusbullets Exept the baby is already a part of this world it already exists and Jesus gave it that existence and you shouldent take that away

y'all just be saying words atp

@SecretAngelics yeah, if i know my child is gonna be born with half a skull it would just be cruel to not abort them before they have to suffer

@bringusbullets with some disabilities not aborting is morally questionable sorry

@ribcat32 @esubeppu framing disabled people as acceptable statistical losses in a “cost-benefit analysis” is exactly why this topic can’t just be reduced to that kind of thinking.

@bringusbullets @esubeppu She is technically correct and it’s also a form a eugenics but it’s one of those things the average person either don’t think about or don’t care about justifiably. A lot of morality is just unspoken cost benefit analysis and if 90% of Down syndrome babies get aborted so be it

@wolfeliterati queerness isn’t a “possible outcome” you prepare for in the same way as medical conditions. that framing doesn’t really apply and ends up treating identity like a defect scenario, which is the issue. queerness isn’t a condition you screen for at birth

i mean shes right if youre not ready for the possibility of your child being disabled or even queer then you should not have kids at all

@Aminok0 certain disabilities/conditions can absolutely be detected before birth through ultrasounds, blood tests, amniocentesis, etc. not all of them obviously, but many can

@bringusbullets how tf do we know they have a disability before theyre born lol

@trag1cangel @Feathered1Wings some disabilities are manageable and compatible with a good quality of life while others can involve severe pain or constant medical intervention so imo it just depends heavily on the situation

@bringusbullets @Feathered1Wings i dont like the way she worded this but there is definitely a point behind this, cus then where do you draw the line? only physical disabilities? babies with down syndrome? you can’t determine a humand quality of life due to their disability

@Ladykil38285354 i don’t think acknowledging ethical complexity automatically makes someone anti-choice though. you can support bodily autonomy while still thinking some situations are morally difficult or emotionally uncomfortable

@bringusbullets idgaf if it's eugenics supporting abortion rights means supporting all reasons for abortions i swear leftists don't agree with pro-life rhetoric not because of the lack of womens bodily autonomy, but because it didnt fit their moral frame work.

@matchaqrty that’s kind of why this discussion is complicated. some disabilities are manageable and compatible with a good quality of life, while others can involve severe pain or constant medical intervention. it depends heavily on the situation

@bringusbullets aborting babies with disabilities is the best thing you could do for it actually

@thintechgodhead obviously eugenics is bad. what i disagree with is collapsing every individual abortion involving disability into the framework of eugenics as though theres no meaningful distinction between coercive population control and a private medical decision made by an individual family

genuinely wondering how on earth you’re unable to comprehend the very basic sentiment of “eugenics is bad” here

@V00UGHTS yeah that’s a better way to phrase it tbh. my issue isn’t “i can’t comprehend what she means,” it’s that the framing feels way too absolute for a topic that’s this complicated

@bringusbullets I don’t think that the sort of abortion she describes should be prohibited or that people should be shamed for it at all. It’s just that “just saying words” = “saying nonsense” rather than… lacking nuance or having a disagreeable stance.

@V00UGHTS obviously the sentence makes sense grammatically, i just think reducing an extremely complex medical and personal decision to “that’s ableism” is shallow and detached from reality. understanding a point ≠ agreeing that it’s nuanced or intelligent

@bringusbullets She’s NOT just saying words; you just don’t agree with her… Her sentence makes complete sense in itself.

@myparasaint oh my god i know exactly what ur talking about it's genuinely disgusting that people use their disabled children for shock value and views

@bringusbullets i'm not gonna attach an image cuz it is so so upsetting just to see it but arguments like this make me think of that one tiktok account && their baby with an actual giant head

@youaremy4ngel this

i feel like aborting a baby with a disability is better so they dont have to live in pain everyday. the world is shit enough as is i think we should support the idea of not making babies go through it

@bringusbullets i see where she thought she was saying something but like??

@angeliscence son probably 😭

@bringusbullets he forsure thinking he's being mysterious with it too 😭😭😭

i hate plugs why am i in silent hill rn

@claironated EXACTLY

@bringusbullets what shes saying is so stupid😭😭 i would nlt bring a child into this world after finding out its going to suffer..hypothetically say my doctor told me my baby is gonna have sickle cell disease, id abort immediately idc