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@pimomormon Did they die? Or are they still alive and immortal as they were in the garden of Eden?

God said Adam and Eve would “surely die” the same day they ate the forbidden fruit. Adam and Eve almost lived (according to the Bible) for a thousand years. And we’re told that god tells the truth?

Yes He did foresee all of that and more do not limit God by trying to place restrictions on what He can and cannot do what He can and cannot see for if God is truly all knowing then He definitely knew both the before and after. It’s better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Did God foresee that man would DESERVE to be born in sin, and that for the crime of being born in sin, he would DESERVE to be consigned to damnation? No. Did God foresee that these, being thrust into sin at birth, would then deserve not to receive His sovereign power to be "made willing" to accept his mercy? No. Did God foresee the creature would be made subject to vanity WILLINGLY? No. Did God foreknow that the whole human race would deserve to perish for being made descendants of Adam after the fall, instead of descending from him before? No. Nobody who has yet to exist can PRE-deserve such a fate. But in Calvinism this is the exact reality which God has imposed upon all of those He chose to leave unelected and uregenerated, and Calvinists think such wickedness and corruption could come from a Holy and Just God. 🤢🤮

That is one of the flavors of the game of organized religion to prolong the return of Jesus Christ beyond the time it actually came and went. The results are many Christians seek an escape as opposed to taking a stand against the evil nature of man for the devil and his demons have been dealt with permanently. Yet Christians blame him for the evil that consumes the world when the truth is they have been practicing escapism and have let the world get in the shape it’s in because of it. From one conspiracy to another they float trying to keep the narrative alive that slowly perishes before their eyes as people begin to see the light of Truth. Then some of us realize that there is no escape but death itself that comes when God has allotted it to and we need to stop the evil of men from continuing to grow unbridled so we begin to speak out and are labeled as heretics by supposed fellow believers for speaking Truth. So be it, if the Truth hurts it still needs to be spoken and they still need to see, read and hear it, so maybe their eyes will be opened to Truth for if we do not can we truly say we love our brothers and sisters if we let them continue in this blindness. This is Truth the return of Jesus Christ has come and gone we do not live in nor will we ever live in the end of the age/days. For the end of days/age was that of the old covenant world which begin dying just after Jesus Christ died on the cross and culminated at the destruction of the last remaining symbol of the old covenant was coming to an end. As the old covenant world died screaming and thrashing the new covenant world was given birth to. There will never be peace of this earth as long as Christians continue to remain blind to the Truth and continue to be lead by those who seek to revive the old covenant world. My fellow believers we need to wake up to Truth and let our voices be heard and by doing so we can help to restore peace to this world. To many believers in Jesus Christ say God is not slack in His Promises and yet they believe He has delayed that which He told to those in the first century they would see come true by centuries. How can one say God is not slack in His Promises and yet believe this nonsense? Read and understand this the Bible was not written to any generation beyond the one to whom it was given but God has seen fit to preserve much of the Bible throughout history as a guide for you to learn from and a way to understand Who He is in even greater detail. The prophecies contained within do not have any bearing on your existence except to show you the history of what has happened and what you can expect upon your death of your flesh. Those who seek to revive the old covenant world will tell you otherwise for they seek to gain power they don’t realize never belonged to them in the first place for God has always been in control. God abolished the old covenant world and I doubt He will allow it to be revived ever again.

They prepared to die for their faith. They were tortured and they did. We’re preparing to disappear before it costs us anything. That’s NOT the same gospel. Your rapture doctrine and your false dispensationalism reeks of festering rot. The saints endured. Maybe we should stop banking on escape and start preparing to stand. Revelation 20:7-9 That’s where we’re at.

That’s a narrative that has been around for centuries that’s has been preached and taught and it is completely false I am sorry to be so forward about it but I am passionate about this matter because it has done way more harm than good. I want to leave you with a few thoughts however to contemplate. / Thought-1 If the world is to be destroyed as they say then why does God say the contrary in the scripture below? “The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma [a soothing, satisfying scent] and the Lord said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intent (strong inclination, desire) of man’s heart is wicked from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.” Genesis 8:21 AMP Notice the wording of the last part “I will never again destroy every living thing as I have done” That’s a profound statement is it not? How will the physical world be remade if God has chosen not to destroy all life on earth ever again? / Thought-2 “Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.” Isaiah 9:14 KJVAAE “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints (God’s people) and apostles and prophets [who were martyred], because God has executed vengeance for you [through righteous judgment] upon her.” [Is 44:23; Jer 51:48, 49]” Revelation 18:20 AMP “Then a single powerful angel picked up a boulder like a great millstone and flung it into the sea, saying, “With such violence will Babylon the great city be hurled down [by the sudden, spectacular judgment of God], and will never again be found. [Jer 51:63, 64; Ezek 26:21]” Revelation 18:21 AMP “And never again will the light of a lamp shine in you, and never again will the voice of the bridegroom and bride be heard in you; for your merchants were the great and prominent men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived and misled by your sorcery [your magic spells and poisonous charm]. And in Babylon was found the blood of prophets and of saints (God’s people) and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” [Gen 4:10; Jer 51:49]” Revelation 18:23-24 AMP Only One nation had the prophets of God so this kind of narrows the choice of who these verses were referring to doesn’t it? And from what I can tell from the beginning it sounds like the decision was going to be a permanent one wouldn’t you say? / Thought -3 Jesus Christ spoke this to His Apostles just before His Death and Resurrection. “Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.” John 14:19 ESV And if they have seen Him already where does that leave the rest of the world? For those who were believers indeed witnessed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ but those who were not believers did not see Him and so the words “the world will see me no more” is a profound statement is it not? / Should you wish to converse please don’t hesitate to reach out again. Shalom

@eagle_greg @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 I understand. The text can be misconstrued. I have faith for our Jewish brothers. It says that they’ll become believers in the end times. Christians need to encourage them to find the truth. My biggest problem with Christians is we chastise not preach the truth of salvation.

“Jesus fulfilled it all. There is a new covenant. Those who are in Christ, that is the new people of God. The church is the new Israel. The land is meaningless.” -Carrie Boller Jesus's sacrifice is enough.

Thank You and my apologies, I didn’t particularly say you were a nonbeliever I don’t believe and certainly didn’t mean to imply it. No my line of statements was more to see if you were on the band wagon like so many these days believing that Israel has a part to play still, when they do not as a nation have any remaining parts to play in the grand scheme of things at all. Not one nation does to be honest, there are only those who rely on and believe in Jesus Christ and those who do not for it’s that simple and it makes no difference the nation they come from or any other factors. The folks that believe this remind me of the zealots in Jesus Christ day that ended up ushering in the destruction of Jerusalem because of their twisted beliefs. Thankfully I am not relying on them not to do anything stupid but rest easy knowing if anything happens God has it in His plan and it will all work out in the end either way. Besides death is but a door and one we will all cross when our ticket gets punched.

@eagle_greg @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 To circle back to the original point Carrie is talking about the land. The promises of Heaven are for those who believe in him in which we agree. Very impressed by your knowledge of the Bible. Less so with your accusations of me being a non believer. Happy Palm Sunday!

Yes and I gave you the interpretation of that scripture as well denial does not mean they can deny Jesus Christ and forever be accepted by Him, their birth right died when Jesus Christ died on the cross it was linked to the law of Moses and circumcision is linked to the heart and those who become Jews not outwardly but inwardly. If Jesus Christ is the only door one can come through then one has no choice but to come to Him do you? The call has been made and will be there for as long as God sees fit and the gift of eternal life remains available for as long as God sees fit for it to remain for all to choose but one must accept the Giver of the Gift into their hearts to receive it. To deny the Son is to deny the Father because they are One in Spirit and Truth for Jesus Christ spoke not from Himself but was a conduit for God to speak from just as Jesus Christ said He was. So when you can let go of your preconceived notion that the Jews are Gods chosen still and realize that only those who are in Jesus Christ are chosen then you will come to understand Truth for no man can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ correct? This tells you that to become a chosen of God you must go through Jesus Christ correct? So which is it my friend can they come in another way or do they have to come in the Door?

@eagle_greg @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 Again, separate promises. The claim that it wasn’t forever is an opinion. Again I’ll sight that passage in Romans. The fact that Ishmael’s promise was also upheld leads me to believe it was forever. 2 divergent faiths.

@PrayeranScript @dondank69 @erichovind There is much we don’t understand but one thing is certain if you don’t lose faith in Jesus Christ your reward will be great for you are laying up your treasures in heaven for sure by suffering for His Name Sake.

@eagle_greg @dondank69 @erichovind I have tried to speaking but it’s hard to say , tbis but thinks is so crazy how life is getting us here ,

Atheist logic😂

I understand given the suffering you are going through. Know this though death of the flesh means only life with the Savior, do your best not to tempt God by removing yourself from danger to your life and limb when possible but be not afraid of death for those who place their trust in Jesus Christ have eternal life. We are praying for you and all those who are suffering from the evil of men who regard not the faith of those who believe in and rely on Jesus Christ. Death is but a door my brother one we will all have to cross one day. They will suffer for eternity when their time is up and those who live by the sword tend to die by it sooner rather than later. For evil begets more evil and it does not care about anyone but itself and men who fall prey to evil tend to fall victim to the same evil they sowed. For as it is written that which you sow so shall you reap. The apostles were told that those who suffer for the name of Jesus Christ would receive a great reward and I believe those of you who suffer for the name of Jesus Christ will also reap a great reward for doing so. Be of good cheer my brother and know God walks with you through both thick and thin and will welcome you home when you leave this earth.

@eagle_greg @dondank69 @erichovind Yes my friend am praying and giving all thanks to the Lord yeshua Jesus Christ . My friend am feeling like contemplating am low on my faith .

Did they receive the land previously? Yes Was the land promised forever? “On the same day the Lord made a covenant (promise, pledge) with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt to the great river Euphrates— [the land of] the Kenites and the Kenizzites and the Kadmonites the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Girgashites and the Jebusites.”” Genesis 15:18-19, 21 AMP I don’t see a mention of it being forever and unconditional here? Or are you going off the second time the promise was made to Abraham would be a father of many nations? “And the male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”” Genesis 17:14 AMP The second promise to Abraham made had a bond to the covenant that could be broken. By not being circumcised but think on this what circumcision was more important that of the flesh or that of the heart? The Jews often made the claims of being circumcised of the flesh as their birth right did they not but what was the reaction to this by both Jesus Christ and His Apostles?

@eagle_greg @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 the Abrahamic covenant is an unconditional promise of grace focusing on land and blessing (Gen 12, 15), while the Mosaic covenant is a conditional bilateral agreement focused on Law and obedience to govern the nation of Israel.

@PrayeranScript @dondank69 @erichovind Better to speak to each other in the open so others may read and potentially learn from our interactions. What would you like to talk about?

@eagle_greg @dondank69 @erichovind That is nice to hear from Great, can yoh try say hi to me on direct messages

@PrayeranScript @dondank69 @erichovind Hello I am alright how about yourself?

@eagle_greg @dondank69 @erichovind Hi there , how are you doing today?

Think on it like this God sends out a call because many are called but few chosen, the calling last forever the gift last forever and God will not revoke either or them because He said He would not but you must accept them to be chosen by God. More Proof we live not in the end of the age of the old covenant but we live fully in the new covenant world for only fully in the new covenant world would both be available. For in the old covenant the gentiles had no recourse to rectify their sin for they may have knew of God but they did not Know God as the Jews did, they sent sacrifices to the Jewish temple to appease another god not to make restitution for their sins to God. This is why the new covenant is a much better covenant over the old covenant that was in place and the devil had perverted the old covenant world for it had become his domain thanks to what he thought was a clever maneuver he put over on God by assisting Gods creation in bringing sin into the world.

@JonnyBenz @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 Also it didn’t say that the gift could not be rejected it only says they are irrevocable which means God does not take them back but you still have to accept them, otherwise God would not be allowing you free will.

Another one lost in the delusion of an organized religions making for even if there is a rapture is has come and gone along with the second coming of Jesus Christ. This is a past event not a future event as the new covenant has been fully implemented there can be nothing that remains to be finished by Jesus Christ. Wake-up people and come to know the Truth we do not live in the end of the age of the old covenant it has long since passed and it has always been the subject of the Bible not the end of the world itself but the end of the old covenant world.

"If we believe that the rapture could happen at any time and we say we do, and we clap when we say it, if we believe it could happen today, what that means is all of these things that I'm talking about couldn't be any further into the future than a seven year period." . Cashless Society and Bible Prophecy: Dr. David Jeremiah on the Last Days

@JonnyBenz @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 Both have been actually, but the one I was speaking of in particular was Abrahams yes.

@eagle_greg @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 Which covenant are you talking about? Moses? In which case I agree with you but not with the covenant of Abraham. You’ll need to specify.

lol the conspiracies are bountiful in this thread and all cling to a belief that the scholars are 100 percent correct in their belief that the book of revelation was written after 70 AD even though scholars have freely admitted they are not 100 percent sure of the date but the position of those who cling to the great lie is so weak it’s all they have to convince others the great lie is still true. Ha Ha they ignore the reality of the situation and cling to a belief in escapism given to then by a false narrative that keeps them in shackles to it. When the truth is simple for the new covenant world to be in full swing requires the old covenant world to be gone in its entirety. Which means there is nothing left over for Jesus Christ to do that He has not already done this includes His second return for Judgement which was on those of the old covenant world, for why judge a world God has given His Grace and Unmerited Favor too? You are welcome to continue in your blindness to Truth and live in fear the rest of your life. Or you can lay down this fear and embrace the Truth that Jesus Christ and the Father Who sent Him are actually not slack in their promises as you claim to believe. This means the first century believers were indeed vindicated by God for the suffering they went through and the judgement of God was upon those who perpetrated the evil upon the saints and prophets of God or you can deny this and continue in your blindness. For what person can truly lay claim to be an actual prophet of God since the end of the first century? None can so how can they be persecuted and how can they be killed in a city and by a people that do not exist?

If all Bible prophesy was fulfilled by 70 A.D. where is the antichrist? Signs that have not been fulfilled:

@JonnyBenz @BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 It’s fulfilled through Jesus Christ in case you didn’t know and is still being fulfilled.

@BlessedHop10348 @Unapologx @CarriePrejean1 Romans 11:29 Gods gifts and callings are irrevocable. She’s talking about Galatians 3 but fails to realize God made several covenants. I believe the covenant of Moses is replaced by the new covenant of Jesus. Abraham’s covenant seems pretty irrevocable.

lol 😂 sorry you feel that way Sir but I am indeed reasonably when one chooses to be reasonable in their conversation with me. Who’s the greater clown the one that believes in what he cannot see but reasons He must exist or the one who believes what cannot have happened because what he has put his faith in cannot explain how it happened? A theory is a theory because it has little data to back it up or it would be a law and a hypothesis is less than a theory and yet you place your faith in both of these because someone told you they were true, tell me you don’t have faith in secular science and I say you are a fat liar.

@eagle_greg @grok @darwintojesus You’re not a reasonable person.🤡

A cup is something insignificant within our universe, it doesn’t affect the fabric of reality whether there’s a cup or not. But unlike a cup, if a greatest possible being exists and created our reality, that would have major ramifications on the nature of our world and on our lives, hence why atheists spend all their time trying to convince us they don’t believe it. Some things can be denied without being foolish, like a cup you don’t see. Other things not so much. You don’t see your consciousness, for example… but you believe it exists. Consciousness is necessary for the ability to see in the first place. So to say “I’m not conscious” would be very foolish. It’s the same way with God. God, like consciousness, is a necessary precondition to making sense of our existence and the world around us. Denying the existence of God is like denying the laws of logic. It’s foolish. Unlike the cup, we see evidence all around us for God. We see the existence of moral truths that are real and binding on us, we see that the universe is rational, we see order and design, intelligence, information, fine tuning, etc. For some of these things God is the best explanation, for others…. God is the only explanation. The only people operating on blind faith with no reason or evidence to justify it—are atheists.

lol you assume their assumptions are correct so who is wrong or right is the question. And no fear is not a factor in my faith in God it may be in your faith in evolution that has yet to prove the primordial soup even existed for life to evolve from. Much less it’s lack of proof for the existence of the matter, energy and the time it took for it all to come together. For which the big poof could not even happen without them and yet we are to believe this is where the universe came from seems shaky at best and utter nonsense at worst, they need a better theory, maybe that is something you should work on since you believe yourself to be such a genius. Let me know when you have a model that does not require these to exist before a big poof could even take place and how the universe formed from nothing into matter, that contained energy at a particular timing that yielded the existence of the universe that happen to collide and coalesce into an existence of not only planetary bodies but eventually life on only one planet and no life on the others.

Facts are verifiable, please feel free to check any and all claims. You may either accept you are wrong, or you can offer a rebuttal using whatever source you’d like. Your ignorant arrogance and conspiracy cope are merely defense mechanisms you’ve propped up due to fear, superstition, negative worldview, paranoia, and intellectual laziness. If you think Grok is biased, then test it, and get back to me.