@FirstofLeo @Nickname_BT If it’s down to insults, I’ll take that as you not having an argument left. Inmature play only remarks how underdeveloped your prefrontal cortex is.
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Bruno J. Escobedo
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Bruno J. Escobedo
@escobedev
Hello! I'm Bruno Escobedo, a passionate human with interests in software development, cybersecurity, physics, mathematics, psychology, philosophy and politics.
Beigetreten Haziran 2024
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@escobedev @Nickname_BT I think you might actually be touched in the head
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i cant imagine a world where >50% of people would actually choose blue without coordination when their individual life is on the verge
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@FirstofLeo @Nickname_BT And I’m not arguing against a position you didn’t hold you’re the one insisting against the blues, which only works if you assume red goal is the only valid one. If your point is just that you’d choose red, that’s fine. I’m just desagreeing on your current view of blues.
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@escobedev @Nickname_BT you are arguing against positions i never claimed to hold. And you were the one that said reds were incapable of empathy. I think im wasting my time
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@EisenseeleRod @TheWookieDavid @nautica_mori @Prazkat Llamarlo hipocresía no cambia la estructura del problema.
Solo evita responderlo.
Los azules solo explican el porqué de su voto, y los rojos lloran porq sienten q los están moralizando, eso no es culpa nuestra.
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@escobedev @TheWookieDavid @nautica_mori @Prazkat No me interesan las encuestas, me importa más el problema de fondo.
El mundo está lleno de leyendas de teclado y heroes de sillon.
Con planteos moralistas para problemas que se crean para si mismos.
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Estoy entendiendo mal la teoría de juegos aquí?
Porque no veo literalmente ningún incentivo para apretar el botón azul.
Si azul gana vive, pero si pierde muere.
Si rojo gana vive, y si pierde también vive. Rojo nunca está en riesgo. Presionas rojo.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@EisenseeleRod @TheWookieDavid @nautica_mori @Prazkat Criticar “héroes de sillón” desde X también es ser héroe de sillón.
Nadie aquí está salvando a nadie en la vida real, estamos discutiendo PRINCIPIOS.
Y el principio es simple:
¿priorizas solo tu seguridad o también la de los demás?
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@LicenseProApp @currydtx This whole debate comes down to one thing:
You think avoiding personal risk is the highest good.
Others think preventing harm to everyone matters more, even with risk.
That’s not intelligence vs stupidity, it’s two different ethical priorities.
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No the blue make a dilemma because they essentially choose to play Russian roulette when they didnt even have to begin with. If the option was go home or swallow poison but the catch is if 51% choose to swallow poison with you then you get the antidote. Thats a huge gamble and these polls are showing what a 5% margin which in a real life scenario would likely vanish. You swallowed poison for the dumbest people that volunteered to cause they assumed most people wont just not swallow poison.
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Blue is 100% the right choice. There is no reality where all 8 billion people pick red so you have to pick blue to prevent millions from dying.
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@LicenseProApp @currydtx Your analogy is off.
In your version, risk exists by default.
In the actual dilemma, risk only exists if people choose red.
Blue is trying to create a world where no one dies.
Red is choosing guaranteed personal safety even if others die.
Those aren’t the same starting conditions
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@EisenseeleRod @TheWookieDavid @nautica_mori @Prazkat A los rojos no les va a pasar nada si los azules ganan, porq les importa tanto los azules? Azul gana en todas las encuestas y lloran. Por que lloran? Si todos se salvan? Que quieren? Matar?
Les importa más ganar que la dinámica en sí.
Ya no están siendo lógicos, solo inmaduros.
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@escobedev @TheWookieDavid @nautica_mori @Prazkat Que virtud?
Ponerse en riesgo adrede y esperar que otros te salven no es virtud.
Es una falsa moral, el que vota azul vota porque necesita sentirse héroe.
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@EisenseeleRod @TheWookieDavid @nautica_mori @Prazkat Tmb confundes resultado con motivación.
Azul no es “esperar que otros te salven”, es apostar por un resultado donde nadie tiene que morir. Rojo en cambio sí garantiza algo: tu propia seguridad, aunque otros mueran.
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@EisenseeleRod @TheWookieDavid @nautica_mori @Prazkat Llamar “falsa moral” a evitar que otros mueran solo porque implica riesgo personal es una forma de descalificar la empatía, no de refutarla.
No todo acto que no entiendes es ego.
No es “querer ser héroe”, es no querer ser parte de la razón por la que alguien muere.
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@LicenseProApp @currydtx Reds don’t lose anything if blues win. And reds still cry about it, cuz reds care more about winning than the dilemma itself. Reds are no longer being rational, just childish.
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In nonstake polls where they can virtue signal and lie. Why do you assume red dislikes anyone, if they choose red they live. Its the safest option with zero Russian roulette gambling. There are people that pick blue cause they want to die and take people with them. Literally crazy people who just want to cause chaos. I love people therefore dont risk your life for someone not worth saving.
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@LicenseProApp @currydtx Calling people “idiots that deserve to die” isn’t logic, it’s just dehumanization to justify your choice.
At least be honest about it you’re okay with others dying as long as you’re safe. That’s your position.
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@FirstofLeo @Nickname_BT No contradiction. I said both are rational depending on the goal.
If your goal is individual survival, red is rational.
If your goal is maximizing total survival, blue is rational.
What you’re doin is assuming only one goal is valid and anything else, irrational. That’s not logic
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@escobedev @Nickname_BT You make a habit of contradicting yourself?
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@FirstofLeo @Nickname_BT Dude, it’s not that blues can’t comprehend red mentality. We do, red guarantees individual survival. It’s reds who can’t compehend blue mentality. There’s collective survival and individual survival, you choose what your goal is and you’ll get opposite answers. Both are rational.
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@escobedev @Nickname_BT Yea that's definitely what it is... are you a retard?
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@LicenseProApp @currydtx Blues are wining on polls, everyone is saved and reds still complain, what are you complaining about? Why do reds dislike that everyone lives? What are you advocating for? See? That doesn’t look any morally good.
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Its not driven by fear though. The only people operating from fear the blue. They are afraid innocent people pushed the button and will die so they must put themselves in Russian roulette. I dont fear the blue people being killed. They can commit suicide for all I care. If enough are dumb enough to manage to save themselves its not the higher road when they could have choose red didnt gamble to begin with
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@LicenseProApp @currydtx Reds can never guarantee the survival of everyone, cuz there are morals, religion, EQ and else making noise. So it falls down to how indifferent you can be to kill others when you can just coop and save everyone. And blues don’t even need coop, virtue is default decision for many
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@FirstofLeo @Nickname_BT What misrepresentation, it’s literally what happens when each one wins, and that is what most people focus only on. The reds are responsible for the deaths of others not the blues. Red people can’t comprehend virtue cuz they feel no empathy, just fear, fear of the risk.
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@escobedev @Nickname_BT What is it with the misrepresentation of the red choice? The red choice is to save yourself, the people picking blue are gambling with their lives of their own choosing and must be held accountable for that...
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@DrUpauli The problem isn’t that blues don’t comprehend red mentality. They do. It’s the reds who don’t comprehend the blue mentality and that’s not our problem. There’s collective survival and individual survival. You choose what your goal is and you’ll get opposite rational solutions.
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Let me word it another way:
You are driving across a bridge, and you see 2 lanes. Left lane says "SAFE", the right lane says "THIS LANE WILL COLLAPSE UNLESS 100 PEOPLE USE THIS LANE" and you somehow know 200 people will cross the bridge.
Are you seriously telling me you will use the right lane?
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This is an amazing strawman. It's not as though idiots don't deserve to live. Everyone does. It's that it is obviously insane to risk your life for no reason. This is basic preservation
𝘽𝘼𝙄𝙇𝙀𝙔 𝙄𝙉𝘿𝙐𝙎𝙏𝙍𝙄𝘼𝙇 𝙂𝙍𝙊𝙐𝙋@Creditspreadit
@MrBeast Everyone is framing blue as the suicide button when red is the murder button.
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@LicenseProApp @currydtx I stand by what I said. Red is also emotional since it’s driven by fear. Those risks only mean something if you fear them. There’s collective survival and individual survival. Focus on different goal you’ll get opposite answer, both options are equally logical.
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Yes it does. Picking blue needs 50% to risk death because at 50% they'd all die while red needs no one else to risk anything. Red has zero risk. You just perceive people different from you as a threat because you process reality through a lens of emotion. Its not "bothered so much" or that anyone is angry its how you read these words in your mind. Its your own inner voice which takes detached logical reasoning and turns it into some one yelling or whatever you do.
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@pensfan27 @MrBeast Most people aren’t even aware of virtue because it’s default. Most people hear “save everyone” and they’ve already made a decision. And many blues do know that red guarantees oneself safety, they just have religious or moral reason to why they wouldn’t choose killing the innocent
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@escobedev @MrBeast Virtue has nothing to do with it. What you are talking about is virtue signaling which is for fools. This is a logic problem to weed out the fools.
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Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@AratisIs @SERGIOSAND____ El juego es una variante del Dilema del Prisionero en Teoría de Juegos. Fue diseñado con el fin de poner en confrontación la cooperación social vs la supervivencia individual. Algunas personas priorizan la cooperación, otros la supervivencia personal. Cada quien sus motivaciones.
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@escobedev @SERGIOSAND____ A ver el malo es quien creó el juego y está coaccionando a la población a pasar por ese proceso. Punto.
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La mejor representación de las masas intervencionistas, contrario a simplemente salir del juego (rojo). Buscan acabar con la diferencia. La democracia es producto de esto
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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