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JSong
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JSong
@jinxca
Empirical evidence isn’t everything… since the very knowledge of that fact never came from nothing.
Beigetreten Ağustos 2010
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Truth is not a physical thing, again, this is a distraction. Religious people always trail of into words game/word soup when the facts don't align with their religion.
I'm not gonna waste my time on that. There is no evidence for anything supernatural, there is the real issue.
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Complexity isn't proof of design.
It's proof of evolution.
We share DNA with chimpanzees, have vestigial organs, and our 'design' is full of flaws (back pain, choking risk, blind spots in vision).
A perfect designer wouldn't do that.
Evolution explains it perfectly.
Christ_Apologetics@CApologetics1
@Danish_SMF How did you get here? You think you were formed/created by a "spontaneous process" ? Examine the complex nature of the human body and the biochemical process that keep it moving. You will find out that there is a perfect designer out there.
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Knowledge itself.
The origin of all information made the mind.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 I dont know how the mind emerged, that is why I'm waiting for the science to get a better understanding of the brain. We already know that all the properties of the mind are a physical part of the brain, but of course gaps remain
Now where is the evidence that a god is involved?
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 You can't just throw around random words that sound like you made them up on the spot, and then when I ask tf you are saying pretend as if I'm purposefully being ignorant.
Truth is correct, non-fictional, I'm sure there's multiple definitions, etcetera
This is all a distraction
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 It seems from here that you accept mundane claims without evidence; like mind emerged from mindlessness correct?
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 I guess it is true when they say that ignorance is bliss.
What is truth?
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 It must suck to have such a limited concept of terms and worldviews without understanding foundational prime reality and think that history which can’t repeat itself scientifically, won’t.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 What does that even mean dude...
And my country (Netherlands) is about 70% atheist, and we often rank highest quality of life, so take that how you will 😉
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Well at least it never came from atheism.. not much useful ever has.
Belief claims regarding truth that can only be scientifically proven including the statement itself is illogical .. or belief in Induction without sure foundational faith goes in circles.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 We do have evidence for that... It's not even a controversial idea, it's common knowledge. Anyway this whole thing is a sidetrack anyway
A tool has an intended purpose if it was made with intent. Evolution is a process without intent, again, natural selection, were going circles
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“Can you prove to me that God doesn’t exist?”
Parker answered this question beautifully😌💯
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 That's your claim without any evidence of such. Christianity is probably the most diverse sociological cultural experiment in history. Not all celebrate Christmas the same, and much of the Christian world doesn't celebrate Hallows Eve.
Does a tool's function provide a purpose?
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 They literally started out as completely different holidays thousands of years before christianity. Again, this is what indoctrination is. When fact don't align with faith they are altered.
I mean yes that is something RNA can do. RNA has many functions. So what is your point?
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Hallows eve and Christmas are Christian.. the pagans were included. Keep your tree… don’t worship the tree.
RNA is a complex tool of which purpose is to decode building instructions.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 I agree that evolution doesn't deal with origin. That is why I mentioned the RNA world hypothesis. Evolution essentially began most likely with the first replicating RNA molecules that managed to stick around.
Lol. Where do you think halloween and christmas come from? Paganism.
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Evolution doesn’t deal with origin.
Islam and eastern cults only copy and gained knowledge thru conquest, history has the evidence. The west was the age of invention.
Men became scientific…. FYI- they were atheists, never were such in history.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Yes plenty of churches and such that have done great things, including starting many well known universities and all. So has islam btw.
And if I remember correctly science actually started to try and understand god. But it lead to them finding out there was no reason to believe.
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 If mindless natural processes regress into infinity without beginning they are by nature timeless and science would be impossible to use as evidence. This is just a fact of logic and reason.
Do you think the church is dumb? Who built the schools and universities?
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 I really don't get what you are saying here dude. Timeless nature is illogical to science? What does that even mean. Floaty church babble of some kind?
What is your question about the beginning? Again, evolution is an ongoing process at all time that is well substantiated.
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 I’m asking you to explain it. They evolved together… like a watch making partnership? To fully grasp what that means would be to what??
Timeless nature is illogical to science since science requires time.. timeless nature would be something else.
In the beginning ___?
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 To put it simply - they didn't evolve for each other, they evolved together shaping each other. You should look into natural selection, I'm not sure if you fully grasp what it means.
It doesn't matter what words u want to use, there is no evidence for anything supernatural.
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@JustinHHill @SirSicCrusader You can’t be this blind? How do you even function in a philosophy class?
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@jinxca @SirSicCrusader Word salad question again.
Loaded question again
Word Salad Question AGAIN.
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the bible is true because it says the bible is true because it says the bible is true because it says the bible is true because it says...
Not Evolution@NotEvolution1
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Explain in simple or complex terms how the ecosystem “evolved” for life.
Science requires matter, space in time.. my religious view regarding the study and learning of such nature is called “science” so any thing beyond that then science becomes religion.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Other way around. We literally have evidence of complex systems evolving through natural selection, zero intelligence required. You have to be indoctrinated to be kept away from the evidence that contradicts what your religion teaches.
Again, we have mountains of evidence.
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@oohglobbits2 Nope, by giving the hungry kids money does not feed them.. only people with the money and resources can feed people in need of nourishment. Who is feeding kids if you are not, and are they doing a good job discerning who is in need?
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"How dare they spend money that I wouldn't even miss on hungry children!"
Julia Hartley-Brewer@JuliaHB1
The breakfasts are not free. They are paid for by taxes - mostly on parents who feed their own kids. Most of these 10,000 children would have had a perfectly healthy breakfast at home without these clubs. This isn't about helping the poorest kids, it's the state taking over the basic job of parenting.
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Who made the guns? Who made the thing that made the guns?
I’m only arguing that @Danish_SMF made a claim that complexity is not evidence of design. It take a lots of indoctrination to unsee a system and believe it’s not by design.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 You can argue it, but we have literally seen it happen. If you want to claim evolution is a intelligent process, you need evidence that fundamentally contradicts the current scientific consensus on the matter
Guns and watched did not evolve through natural selection, bad analogy
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@crimschris @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 What if I told you that watches have evolved more than “humans” as we know ever have?
In your analogy the watch is a product of natural selection which is blind & dumb and doesn’t have agency or purpose to make a watch and yet the watchmaker is much more complex than the watch.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 A watch like we make them cannot reproduce and evolve. As far as we can tell it's a static object of which we know humans usually make it.
Now when it comes to nature we know about the process of evolution by natural selection which by definition requires no intelligent guiding.
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@jinxca @Danish_SMF @moejoeryzen72 Okay that doesn't answer my question though. If you mean inference based on the best available data and evidence then same, but that does not lead to a god.
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