
vanoosa
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i wish i'd known earlier that there's a time for emotional release, and a time for emotional containment (ie just sitting with the emotion)
both are ways of feeling what's unfelt. but the former helps the emotion move, the latter helps the emotion stay
take rage: if your pattern is to choke it down, release gets it unstuck, while containment reinforces the belief that "i can't let this out". on the other hand, if your pattern is to lash out immediately, you need to learn how to just be with it; release merely reinforces the belief that "i must do something with this feeling".
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Nah. Plenty of people find liberation who aren't "healthy". Suffering is what brings people to practice. If you have a lot of trauma, that's a good reason to practice gently and with caution, not to avoid it entirely.
I had a "worse case scenario" outcome from hardcore meditation practices, and I still have no regrets. The same practice that took me over that edge eventually brought me back home.
vanoosa@vanoooosa
most meditators would be better off doing more "relative" inner work (therapy, dance, bodywork, journaling) only a healthy, capable self can survive its destruction
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i thought i was good at feeling my anger because i got angry often, and wondered why it didn't stop me from lashing out. turns out that getting angry AT others requires dissociating from the anger up until the moment it becomes impossible to ignore
Joe Hudson@FU_joehudson
Years of working with anger, summarized on one page.
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@stoliglobalese @Thomasdelvasto_ i said “more”! both are good, but most meditators would benefit from allocating some of their sitting hours to other practices
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buddhism often draws a distinction between relative vs absolute truth. relatively, we live in a world of objects and selves; in the absolute sense, everything is empty of real, independent substance.
typically, "relative work" aims at building up a healthy psychological self, which is still necessary and good even if from the absolute perspective there is no such thing
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@vanoooosa what do you mean by relative here and how does it put dance & journaling on the same axis end?
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@vanoooosa do you think that's why people find it hard to meditate at their lowest moments?
i've found that the more i need to meditate, the more i struggle to do it
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@CaryHawkins_ tldr: i think it ends up being fine for most people, just not beginners. i actually think it's a great container if your practice is decently far along enough to debug yourself. i just think the downside for some is asymmetrically bad, and it's hard to predict ahead of time
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@CaryHawkins_ i still came away having benefited greatly, but the message i got at the end of the retreat was "if you don't practice 2+ hours a day you're wasting your time". this was pretty demoralizing to hear
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@ArtirKel @vanoooosa Meditation is the worst form of meditation
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the two practices that reliably *work* for me are zhan zhuang and ecstatic dance, but i keep doing silent sitting practice because those don't feel like Real Meditation

Guy@nosilverv
follow me on discord for insights such as this
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@vanoooosa Are we converging on the same stack? x.com/ArtirKel/statu…
Reichian stuff, ZZ, and ecstatic dance!
José Luis Ricón Fernández de la Puente@ArtirKel
Started doing zhan zhuang (aka that qigong thing where you just stand) more seriously (10 minutes daily) and it's incredible how it finds bad posture habits, weak muscles, tense muscles, and slowly irons out all of that.
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vanoosa substack era begins! it’s a good poast
vanoosa@vanoooosa
my first blog post! in which i use all my PTO on meditation retreats and learn a few things along the way
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