David Daze

Been feeling sick lately so

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple If only you knew what hypotheticals are. You are responsible for your actions and the logical implications that follow it. In your case, if you choose red, you’re willingly putting other people’s lives at risk.

I am responsible for my choices and only my choices You are responsible for your choices and only your choices We (and everyone else) have the option to choose 'I live for certain' by pressing red It's not anyone's fault except yours if you stupidly choose not to take that option and pressed blue instead "And you’re the one promoting it by voting red, no one gaf some made up entity that we don’t know about." without that made up entity we're not in this mad up situation

This representation is so dumb. It completely ignores the objective fact that the trolley doesn't even start moving without the reds collectively starting it.

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple It’s not about being a hero, it’s about minimizing deaths. The hypothetical is a system set up with implications that follow. Either you vote to increase the likelihood of killing (red), or the likelihood of dying (blue), and 51% is easier to reach than 100%.

"And the scenario would still be setup such that if anyone did press blue and was in the minority, they would di" yes, and they put themselves in that position by stupidly pressing blue I don't think it's realistic to expect half of humanity to risk their lives when they have a safe option available Heroes are rare, expecting them to reach majority is bonkers

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Or maybe don’t put yourself as contributing to killing, you don’t get to runaway from the logical implications of pressing red. And you’re the one promoting it by voting red, no one gaf some made up entity that we don’t know about.

"No shit pressing blue risks you dying, I’m not the one contributing to the death" that is logically incoherent Don't put yourself in the 'possibily to be killed' pool "Don’t be a murderous piece of shit" Even if I press red AND red gets a majority Then I'm still not doing any murdering, Any murdering is done by the fucked up entity forcing us into this game

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple And the scenario would still be setup such that if anyone did press blue and was in the minority, they would die. And if everyone pressed blue no one would die either, (actually only 51% needed). Yet I’m not the one arguing for such an improbable statistical event

@DavidDazeX @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple "Even if no one presses blue, it’s such that anyone who was in a blue minority would die" If no-one presses blue, there is no blue minority

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple No shit pressing blue risks you dying, I’m not the one contributing to the death. When the red votes reach majority, that’s the only way death occurs. Don’t be a murderous piece of shit.

"This isn’t simply about me, it’s about ensuring no one can die" by pressing blue you CAN die, that's a gamble by pressing red you remove yourself from the risk of dying "that’s where many red pressers can not grasp in a world that involves collaborative efforts to work" the collaborative effort should be "don't put yourself in a circumstance where half of humanity needs to save you" don't be an arsonist firefighter

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple “The precondition for red contributing to the likelihood of killing anyone is that people are pressing blue” Incorrect. That is the logical conclusion that follows how the scenario is setup. Even if no one presses blue, it’s such that anyone who was in a blue minority would die

"Putting yourself in danger would be pressing a button that guarantees to kill you vs a button that doesn’t." the danger is you putting yourself in a situation where what other people do matters for your survival, that might pan out or it might not "the red button is the only one that contributes to the likelihood of killing anyone." The precondition for red contributing to the likelihood of killing anyone is that people are pressing blue You can reduced the likelihood of your death to 0 by pressing red... and so can any and everyone else.

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Yes, this is a hypothetical, there are a lot of things that would be at play if this were to happen. It doesn’t change the fact that the death is not self-imposed, as it is setup such that red getting the majority vote is the only way it can happen

@DavidDazeX @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple The death, if it happens, is executed by the entitity forcing you to play this fucked up game the danger/risk is self-imposed as you (and everyone else) have an option that avoids risk and you CHOOSE not to take it by pressing blue

@Only_Grey @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple …both choices involve doing an action, you can not be an observer in this scenario as a “do nothing and not jump on the track, flood, [insert danger], etc. etc. You have to choose an action that either contributes to killing, or risking your death (because of red). (3)

@DavidDazeX @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Did I read the damn thing wrong?

@Only_Grey @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple If minimizing deaths is the goal, the best choice is picking blue, as it has the lowest threshold required for the result. Red guarantees survival, but only at the cost of increasing the probability of killing all others. This is why analogies get it wrong, because… (2)

@Only_Grey @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Analogies of the scenario have diluted the original case so much, that people completely don’t understand the implications of each button press. This is why I’m against analogies on this, it’s important people can understand the original scenario as is. (1)

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple This is about death, not risk. The death is not self-imposed, as the other option reaching the threshold is what causes the deaths to occur.

@DavidDazeX @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple it's self-imposed as you're the one imposing the risk on yourself by pushing blue when you could've just pushed red and avoided the risk

@bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple So it’s not self-imposed, death only happens when red gets the majority, that’s it. Red contributes to killing, which is absolutely worse than risking suicide.

@DavidDazeX @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple If you press red no matter the outcome you have a 100% survival rate, with blue there is a >0% chance you die so why would you ever press blue? Yes red can POSSIBLY contribute to death of blues, but blues got themselves in a situation where they could die in the first place ???

@bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Putting yourself in danger would be pressing a button that guarantees to kill you vs a button that doesn’t. That’s not how the scenario is though, it’s off probability, and the red button is the only one that contributes to the likelihood of killing anyone.

@DavidDazeX @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple You gotta be an idiot to see that another persons actions affect you if you press blue and don’t affect you if you press red and then still press blue and get mad that you put yourself in danger

@MichaelGirdon The same way apparently to you that it’s moral for Christians to invade and do worse en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_…

@DavidDazeX How was it moral to let ourselves be invaded by Muslims?

Christians and their… “morality”

@bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Exactly, so it can’t be self-imposed because the reason blue is a risk is because red threatens it, you got it

@DavidDazeX @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Because if you press red there is no threat and if you press blue there is the threat more people will press red and you die, so either way you’re putting yourself at risk because you’re gambling the fact people won’t press red which is dumb people are inherently selfish lol

@Zeus_z3 @MichaelGirdon @DLCDonut Does marching into lands and slaughtering people sound like defending from invading armies to you? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_…

@DavidDazeX @MichaelGirdon @DLCDonut The crusades were a series of wars to fight invading Muslim armies. While not all crusades were without sin, the underlying reason to organize was to fight invaders.

I cant believe all modern morals started 2000 years ago in one region of the world and before that, and outside that one location, nobody thought murder was wrong

@bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple How is it self-imposed when there’s a literal red button that threatens it

@JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Let’s say that’s true right but then it’s still a self imposed danger because you’re pressing the button in hopes the majority doesn’t pick red vs if you just pick red there’s no danger

@d_frost_d_vrc @JayExci You can show the prompt, it’s ok

They’re doing it again