@LyssAnthrope Which is why I was desperately trying to find an area we could agree on. Just give me a minute I'm cooking.
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Galactipoly
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@GalacticPoly This is what I'm saying like we fundamentally don't agree on any of the parameters here
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@GalacticPoly what do you think an artificial womb is? It's life support.
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@LyssAnthrope Yea this doesn't help because I reject the framing that pregnancy isn't care. But I think we may have in agreement here so I'd much rather focus on it.
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Galactipoly@GalacticPoly
@LyssAnthrope Ok, I figured you'd explain the typo error or can I just use the first part about voluntary assumption of responsibility?
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@GalacticPoly My point is asking if there's a duty to care doesn't make any sense whatsoever
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@LyssAnthrope Ok, I figured you'd explain the typo error or can I just use the first part about voluntary assumption of responsibility?
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@LyssAnthrope Ok well there was nothing illogical or wrong with my hypothetical. You never proved how it didn't isolate the principle or discern between social or biological parenthood. I don't even think it implied social parenthood.
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@GalacticPoly Read what I said I'm not disagreeing with the definition but I don't think you should use AI summaries just in genera
My disagreement with is with your hypothetical and I said so clearly
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MissAnthrope@LyssAnthrope
@GalacticPoly Ask AI whether (screenshots of) AI results are valid proof of the information they present. Your example is nothing close to a clean hypothetical for the reasons previously stated x.com/i/status/20392…
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@LyssAnthrope I'm just trying to fully understand.
I don't know what you mean by "this does not run assumption of parenthood"
Is that a typo?
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@GalacticPoly Voluntary assumption of responsibility to a particular child and again this does not run assumption of Parenthood and like literally it's a duty to act not to be used
I'm going to suggest you avoid Socratic.
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@LyssAnthrope Im trying to figure out where we can agree on what creates a parental obligation. I don't know how to get anywhere if you just state your entire framework again for me to respond to every little point again.
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@GalacticPoly Simple solution: don't try to use Socratic and just make your point.
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@LyssAnthrope Please just be patient and follow my line of questioning. I understand you have a vastly different framework than I do. This just brings up way more things for me to respond to when I want to try and actually get somewhere.
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@GalacticPoly Personhood, parenthood, liability for harm, duties to care for another person...
none of these things can support the kind of obligation that you are trying to create
These are not obligations that anybody else has to another person not ever
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@GalacticPoly No born child has a "right" to use another person's body -blood/organs/involuntary physiology. Not even their parents
No one, even a parent, is ever required to undergo anything close the pain/injury/escalating risk inherent to pregnancy/birth for anyone, even to save their life
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@LyssAnthrope Thank you! Omg.
And what would you say creates this obligation for these custodial caregivers?
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@GalacticPoly I do. Social parents (custodial caregivers more precisely) have duties to care for children
Your argument equivocates on the word 'parent'.
Using parent’ in the biological sense (genetic/gestational) to assign duties that would never be required even of social parents
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Once you force someone to be dependent on you for survival, you are morally obligated to support them.
This is why abortion is wrong.
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@Oscar1051128 You realize asking for a case of a legal murder is nonsensical don't you?
In El salvador many women have served time for aggravated homicide which is a form of murder for abortions.
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@GalacticPoly Yes, that's why i clearly said legal abortion. Aso Gosnell isn't a woman, he was a provider. Care to try again. LOLOL!
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@Oscar1051128 Not a women but still convicted of murder.
Fallacious argument is still fallacious.if you even know what that means lol
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Galactipoly@GalacticPoly
@Oscar1051128 And also Gosnell who just died recently was convicted of illegal abortion and infanticide in pregnancy well into the 30th week.
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@Oscar1051128 And also Gosnell who just died recently was convicted of illegal abortion and infanticide in pregnancy well into the 30th week.
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@Oscar1051128 Argument from legality.....
You do realize you're presenting a fallacious argument right?
Show me the illegal slave in Alabama pre civil war....I'll wait. Checkmate man
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@Oscar1051128 I mean everyone who is pro life and has the decency to realize we shouldnt murder children for being where their parents cause them to be
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@GalacticPoly @KatelynTweeter By WE you mean YOU. Which is fine, don't have an abortion then. No one wants to fuck you anyway. But don't tell any other person that they dont have a choice.... they do.
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@Oscar1051128 @KatelynTweeter And we don't believe in a choice to kill the child that you created this causing them to be dependent on you.
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@GalacticPoly @KatelynTweeter That's right bitch! Now you are getting it! The choice belongs to the mother. Now wasn't that easy?
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@Oscar1051128 @KatelynTweeter I understand she's more powerful and the life or death is depending on the mother. That's kind of our whole point. They're dependent and who created them.
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@GalacticPoly @KatelynTweeter I think the survival of a fetus dependent on a woman before it reaches sentience depends entirely on the willingness of the woman to play host. Her uterus, her choice.
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@LyssAnthrope I didn't ask if it inherently requires it. Do you realize what you are doing? You're adding things I didn't ever ask.
I'm asking if it can ever. Not if there are circumstances where it can not be required.
Please answer the questions I ask, not the ones I don't.
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@GalacticPoly Are you asking if a biological parent, like an egg donor for a gestational carrier, has a duty to feed a child being raised by other parents?
No, genetic or gestational parenthood does not inherently require those obligations
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Galactipoly@GalacticPoly
@LyssAnthrope Do you think there is a parental duty in the slightest in any form to take a sick child to the doctors in an attempt to maintain their well being? I can even go more basic. Completely healthy and normal infant at home. Is there a parental duty in any form to feed the child?
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