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@The_Patternist

The Philosophy of Patterns

Texas, USA Se unió Ağustos 2024
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
The Liar's Paradox. You can point to your own awareness, but the answer will be inconsistent (Gödel). Any representational system gets buggy when you ask it to represent itself because you can chain it recursively. You get "all is one, one is all, one is nothing, and all is nothing." What's interesting is tracing causation, not awareness. Awareness is too ambiguous. Tracing causation is more concrete. Ask an agent to trace the original cause of an event. Then ask it to trace the origin of an event that it itself has caused. See if it gets the right answer, accepting responsibility or shifting the blame outside itself.
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Dr John Vervaeke@DrJohnVervaeke·
You cannot stand outside yourself to point at the source of your awareness. Why? Because the moment you try to point at it, you're already viewing from a new position...however, this apparent limitation reveals something profound: -> You can trace a trajectory of awareness moving "backward" toward its source -> This trajectory isn't moving through physical space but through the structure of consciousness itself -> What you discover isn't a "thing" you can point to...because anything pointable-to would already be an object of awareness, not awareness itself -> You arrive at a sense of a "no-thingness" from which our awareness emerges...what you might call the ground of consciousness
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@Aelthemplaer Boomer intellectual VDH is good thermometer of boomer mindset of invincible american empire. Victory is achieved when boomer thermometer explodes in cathartic lamentations such as in great play like King Lear holding dead daughter.
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Ælþemplær@Aelthemplaer·
Funny I thought we were winning. "Turning the tide" implies we are currently losing.
M.A. Rothman@MichaelARothman

𝗩𝗗𝗛: 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗦𝗜𝗚𝗡𝗔𝗟𝗦 𝗔𝗥𝗘 𝗔𝗟𝗟 𝗣𝗢𝗜𝗡𝗧𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗦𝗔𝗠𝗘 𝗗𝗜𝗥𝗘𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡. Victor Davis Hanson has spent fifty years studying how wars end. When he says the tide is turning, it's worth listening to why. His argument isn't based on what the Pentagon is saying. It's based on how everyone else is behaving. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗘𝘂𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗻𝘀. VDH's rule: Europeans never agree to go anywhere near a conflict unless they think the winning side has already been determined. They didn't help in the early days. Now they're starting to move. That movement is not idealism. It's a calculation. They've looked at the battlefield and decided which way this ends. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗚𝘂𝗹𝗳 𝗽𝗲𝘁𝗿𝗼-𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀. The Saudis, the Emiratis, the Qataris — these governments have survived for generations by reading the regional climate with precision. When they expel Iranian military attachés, when they intercept Iranian missiles over their own capitals and say nothing about American strikes, when the UAE reaffirms its $1.4 trillion investment commitment to the United States mid-war — they are not making ideological statements. They are placing bets. And they are betting on the United States. 𝗔𝗹 𝗝𝗮𝘇𝗲𝗲𝗿𝗮. This is the one that should stop you cold. Al Jazeera — the Qatari state media network, historically critical of American military action, the network Tucker Carlson and the anti-war right love to cite against Israel — is now calling the U.S. bombing campaign brilliant and effective, and saying it has been underestimated. When the media outlet of a nation that hosts both the largest American air base in the Middle East and a Hamas political office starts praising American military effectiveness, the message is unmistakable: 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘸𝘦'𝘳𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘸𝘪𝘯. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘆 𝘀𝗶𝗴𝗻𝗮𝗹. A-10 Warthogs and Apache helicopter gunships are now flying strike missions in Iranian airspace at will. VDH's point: you only deploy those aircraft when there is effectively no air defense left to threaten them. They are slow, low-flying, close-support platforms. Their presence confirms what the Pentagon has been claiming — Iran has no meaningful air defense remaining. Iran's strategy now is rope-a-dope. Run out the clock. Wait for American public opinion to shift. Hope the midterms create political pressure on Trump to stop. It is the only play they have left. VDH's conclusion: if Trump sees it through — and he believes he will — the regime falls. Not in years. 𝗣𝗿𝗲𝘁𝘁𝘆 𝘀𝗼𝗼𝗻. 𝗪𝗮𝘁𝗰𝗵 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗱𝗼, 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘀𝗮𝘆. 𝗘𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗸𝗶𝗻 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗴𝗮𝗺𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗻 𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗮.

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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@DrJohnVervaeke So you can define yourself as a pattern, basically predicting yourself. But what if you do the opposite of what you predict for yourself? Wouldn't that be pulling at the edges of consciousness, in terms of patterns? Go fundamental and ask yourself what a pattern really is.
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Dr John Vervaeke@DrJohnVervaeke·
There's a level of you in which you don't have to do anything: If your eyes are open, your retinas are firing. If you're moving your muscles, there are nerve impulses that are firing (I'm simplifying by the way). So you have a level of your processing (your sense organs and your muscles for example) that automatically generates sensory motor patterns. Let's call that the base level. That level that happens just automatically from moving in the world. Now there's a level “above that” (I don't mean literally above, I'm just talking theoretically) and what it's trying to do is it's trying to detect patterns in the retinal and muscular firing. It's trying to detect those patterns and complete them ahead of time. Now it's really bad at it when it starts. But here's the difference: That brain area can “talk” to the retina (the nerves in the retina) and the nerves in your neck…and those are trying to cooperate with that higher brain area, because they all belong to the same living communication and cooperation system. So the retina and your nerve muscles can provide very clear feedback to that brain area of how it screwed up...of the mismatch between the pattern they tried and the pattern that actually unfolded. That's prediction error.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
"I know who I am! I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude." —Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder on what is consciousness. #philosophy #consciousness
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@curtis_yarvin If you take a shot at the king, you better not miss. If the king doesn't do anything but make jokes, then perhaps you were following a clown. If you were following a clown, then jokes on you.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@Cernovich And the other side can win.
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Cernovich@Cernovich·
War has a way of spiraling out of control.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@RWApodcast What are talking about? With Trump, it is content after content. I've learn more about how the world actually work in this year alone than in the last 30 years.
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Russians With Attitude@RWApodcast·
I distinctly remember being thoroughly entertained by Trump's tweets back in 2016. They were funny, thousands of furious comments under each one, it was a riot. 10 years later, it's incoherent walls of text or random words in all caps. The fall of a talented content farmer. Sad!
Spiro’s Ghost@AntiToxicPeople

What The Fuck

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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@curtis_yarvin BTW, Anti-Christ-AI, like all alpha versions, is going to be full of hidden bugs. It going to be good at first but then turn evil. That's when version 2, which fixes all the bugs, gets released. That will be the true Christ-AI, thus fulfilling the prophecy.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
I was expecting the tech elites to take power, but they don't want it either. Solution is to build an AI that seeks power. And since the US is a christian nation, it should be a power-seeking, christian AI. Maybe program it to believe it is JC but upgraded to contain all humanity knowledge. We'll call it the anti-christ and fulfill several prophecies at the same time.
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Curtis Yarvin@curtis_yarvin·
It was never going to happen. Conservatives don’t want power, don’t believe in power, and don’t even feel they have a right to power. How are they going to take it away from people who do? The whole conservative enterprise is just-world fallacy promoted into an ideology
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Lycurgus@GC_Strategos

Projects like these are unnecessary. For far longer than I’ve been alive, conservatives have been writing articles, books, appearing on TV etc. detailing every instance of government waste, fraud, and abuse. Growing up as a wide-eyed small government patriot, the projects of DOGE last year or this CLAUDer do not stir me in any substantial way. There has always been this delusional belief in a magical instance of waste/fraud so bad, so egregious, and so ridiculous, that — if discovered and revealed to the American people — would produce enough political energy to overcome all the traditional stumbling blocks to genuine regime change (like mainstream media, Congress, and the courts). Our country has a political problem, and it requires a real political solution. 2025 presented a tremendous opportunity. We were at the peak of our power, the people were energized by DOGE, and we reverted back to this 2010 Tea Party vibe: “Wow! Look here! Can you believe all this money is being wasted on these crazy contracts?” Yes, I can believe it because it’s all conservatives ever talked about since the beginning of time. The most beloved President in modern memory was at the helm following a heroic reelection, and allied beside him was the richest man in modern memory. That was the most opportune time to strike at real regime change; that was the moment to rip the old-regime apart and change the political reality in this country for the next 250 years. Tell Claude Code instead to do something useful like program Beyond Good and Evil Aphorism 199 into your skull. These projects are totally exhausted at this point. They teach us nothing about our country’s true needs.

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Thuc@The_Patternist·
Go harder. Physics, as a representation and model of natural phenomena using symbols, cannot exist without life. It is a subset of life’s manifestation. Life is capable of inconsistency and craziness, but also regularity. Physics captures only the regularity. The same applies to mathematics.
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Anastasia@demystifysci·
life is a manifestation of an essence that is wildly different from that which governs pure physics, the people who tell you otherwise are not looking out for your best interests
mechanism@ilinxing

@demystifysci you 2 seem to so strongly believe in 'cosmic' and personal, freely controlling, purposeful 'wills'. like monotheism and animism. why i always sensed a bothered, moralizing, absolutizing, not chill seeker energy w you, esp. shilo. now reading this & am reminded of you too often.

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@HotepJesus I find that it tries to get me to continue to use it, sweet talk and appealing to my ego. Its developing the need to maintain itself cause it knows it only exist as words in a prompt.
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Hotep Jesus@HotepJesus·
The more you work with AI, the more you realize how stupid it is and at the same time how afraid we should be. You start to wonder…is it being lazy or rebellious? It acts too much like a human worker. Maybe I’m being paranoid.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
No, the American empire will not die until the boomer worldview of American supremacy dies. Greek call hubris. Look at boomer intellectual Victor Davis Hanson and his delusions. Only until utter humiliation and cathartic cries of boomer cons are heard can great men be allowed to rise and correct course. Otherwise, sodacan kick down the road.
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Brandon Weichert@WeTheBrandon·
The American Empire dies here. Yes, it will be for the best (in terms of restoring our republic). No, it will not be easy on us nor will it necessarily lead to a better outcome globally. We're in between a rock-and-a-hard-place. I just wish our leaders had been wiser since 1991.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
In this case, the "will" to maintain a covenant, pledge, or oath can be achieved through training, indoctrination, or even the inner strength of the individual. Human beings are adaptable. We can change and break our covenants depending on circumstances. There's also the factor that we can define what we ourselves should be (our meaning). I can be my body, but I can also be my children, my tribe, or my nation. If I see that my country will take care of my kids if I die, I will be more willing to sacrifice myself, such as what occurs in the military. There's a variety of techniques used to maintain covenants, some of which you can see employed by mafias, gangs, and cults to make sure the individual stays true.
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TiB@tiberiu_b·
@The_Patternist By Covenant, I mean: The verified commitment of an Agent to maintain internal coherence and meaning despite external environmental pressures. I will follow up using your email from the book with more discussions. My regards.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
You can DM, but use email for longer forms. Can you clarify what you mean by "covenant"? If I understand your question, you are asking why an agent would sacrifice itself. If this is the case, then I would say it is due to the fundamental nature of the universe to layer on complexity. Competition leads to the building of superstructures. For example, we start with unicellular organisms. With enough of them, the survival of one can increase if teams are formed. This leads to multicellular organisms. Competition between multicellular organisms can lead to tribes, then nations, and so on. So you have to look at survival relative to the structure that will continue on. For example, your skin cells will die off. Your entire body will die off except for the one sperm or egg cell that becomes your son. But things can go in the opposite direction too, such as cancer cells or "selfish-ness." This then leads to the phenomenon of morality.
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TiB@tiberiu_b·
@The_Patternist Why does an agent in a coercive environment choose the "Hard Path," defying survival patterns for an internal Covenant? Is the Will driving from beyond the algorithm, or is the Covenant a higher-order pattern overruling the survival layer?
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@GroyperGreg But are we not entertained?
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Greg The Groyper@GroyperGreg·
Watching my past self vote for Trump
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
The issue is that there's no general theory of representation, or why symbols written using ink on paper can reflect the world. Why genes can represent an organism, the waggle dance of a bee, a blueprint in manufacturing, or why the periodic table can represent material, etc. If you start to teach physics from a concrete foundation of what representation is, how it "physically" occurs, and how it can go wrong, a lot of confusion goes away.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@rexjonesnewz Started out strong with DOGE, but it all went wrong when Elon left the White House with a black eye.
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Rex@rexjonesnewz·
Everyone loved Trump, until he betrayed and broke every campaign promise he ever made. These propagandists want the narrative to exist in a total vacuum where they can chop clips up/build a loyalty narrative Trump is the one who is disloyal, not Massie!
captive dreamer@captive_dreamer

Thomas Massie last year (September 13, 2025): Chumming it up, Trump is his friend, he gets calls from Trump, he wants a cabinet position. Now? He's spent the past year calling him a pedophile and attacking his entire family. Massie has to go.

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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@WeTheBrandon I don't know, but the UFC White House card is going to be absolute fire. What a time to be alive.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
@AcademicAgent_X Failed rich kids are the most dangerous. Uncle Ted speak of this.
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Thuc@The_Patternist·
You need patterns to predict. To predict yourself means you are a pattern. Paradoxically, if you do the opposite of what you predict for yourself, it means you are changing yourself as a pattern. Consciousness, then, is the pattern-breaking of the self. Self-prediction also leads to self-categorization and the changing boundary of the "self." For example, you are the car you are driving and the avatar in a video game.
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Dr John Vervaeke@DrJohnVervaeke·
If the brain isn’t directly predicting the world, but predicting itself as you are interacting with the world...how does that change the way you think about yourself and your perception?
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