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threadguy
threadguy@notthreadguy·
i seem to be deeply attached to my pnl and the reluctancy to lose money is a blocker to getting really rich
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chris
chris@chrisgrx_·
@notthreadguy Size down even more -> more money in the end. Only way I managed to hold positions for longer period of time, when I struggled with this. Generally TP waaay too early when size is uncomfy.
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major
major@xmgnr·
@notthreadguy tbf its also a blocker to getting really poor
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Energy
Energy@everythingisnrg·
@notthreadguy sounds like a classic case of “fear of missing out” mixed with “why can’t i just 100x my stack?” detach from that pnl and get in the flow, or you’ll be stuck at the kiddie table while others feast on gains.
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artsch00lreject
artsch00lreject@artsch00lreject·
@notthreadguy if you don’t gamble everyday how will you know if it’s your lucky day
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kayser / vaultvision.tech
@notthreadguy every trader who blew up was also really attached to getting rich the pnl attachment was the last thing keeping them solvent
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Paciente
Paciente@IAmElPaciente·
@notthreadguy Put the number u couldn’t bare to see ur port go below aside Use the rest as a delusion bag & think only in terms of potential future pnl Do not borrow conviction U have probably as good awareness to new trends as anyone with ur show, risk being a fool & put ego aside
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RᴬNCH
RᴬNCH@hiddenvalleey·
@notthreadguy Probably says more about current market conditions than you personally
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crypto
crypto@3060tistock·
@notthreadguy Didn't you say recently that the best traders you know all have one thing in common: they never lose money? Preserving for easy mode Vs risking capital during hard mode is going to make you rich dude
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RiskOff
RiskOff@riskoff_hl·
@notthreadguy you either choose the comfort of banking small wins or the absolute terror of scaling a position to real wealth. can't have both
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Gabriele Modica
Gabriele Modica@gabrielemdc_·
@notthreadguy I feel this. (Unfortunately) Being too attached to short-term PnL can quietly kill long-term upside.
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noegrets🦄
noegrets🦄@noegrets3·
@notthreadguy Money can be made and money can be lost but true synarchy doesn't care about price
noegrets🦄 tweet media
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CC
CC@criscrinkl·
@notthreadguy If you’re actually reluctant to lose money, you’d be scanning your receipts instead of trading
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Hassan🇱🇧
Hassan🇱🇧@Hassandarr313·
@notthreadguy Money is fake There is an infinite number of dollars out there for the taking Know that Whatver is lost can be returned 10 fold as long as u stay in the game
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lesabre
lesabre@lesabrefomo·
you are optimizing for min brier when edge maxxing is the way to get rich. hard to pull off as a public facing entity "If your relationship to predictions is basically [saying your opinion to friends / going on TV / writing articles] then you just want to be right pretty often especially when you say you are confident. That directly translates to min Brier. That makes a ton of sense! Who wants to be the guy who is edge maxxing by betting on 5%s he thinks are 20%s but is basically wrong about 80% of everything he ever says? The guy who wants to make money, that's who." give the linked tweet a full read s/o @TheiaResearch x.com/TheiaResearch/…
Felipe Montealegre@TheiaResearch

A friend (thoughtful, academic type, reads the newspaper) recently asked me why I preferred to talk about topics where I was on the wrong side of expert consensus (like BTC, Internet Finance). His point (probably true) is that while experts can often be wrong, you are likely to be right >50% of the time by starting with expert views and then adjusting from there. I told him that markets people make the best returns when they are contrarian and being on the wrong side of expert consensus is usually correlated with low consensus / high payoff opinions. You want to max Edge i.e max the sum of log2(your probability/market probability). It's pretty hard to max edge by finding 80% probability opinions that you think are 85%. You want to hunt in underpriced markets / low consensus opinion space. The interesting thing is that most people are not attempting to max Edge at all but min Brier i.e. (your probability - outcome)^2. So if you say there is an 80% that it rains tomorrow and it rains, your Brier Score is (1-0.8)^2 = 0.04 and had you said "No Rain" it would have been (0-0.8)^2 = 0.64. Lower is better. If your relationship to predictions is basically [saying your opinion to friends / going on TV / writing articles] then you just want to be right pretty often especially when you say you are confident. That directly translates to min Brier. That makes a ton of sense! Who wants to be the guy who is edge maxxing by betting on 5%s he thinks are 20%s but is basically wrong about 80% of everything he ever says? The guy who wants to make money, that's who. Min Brier is a disaster for returns. Portfolio growth is directly proportional to edge and orthogonal to brier. here is a 1000 sim monte carlo comparing a min brier guy who is right 85% of the time (consensus 80%) and an edge maxxor who is right 20% of the time (consensus 5%). min brier: mean final portfolio: $1.07m mean return: +6.6% win rate: 85% max drawdown: –3.6% prob of loss: 10% edge maxxor: mean final portfolio: $19.9m mean return: +1,889% win rate: 20% max drawdown: –14.4% prob of loss: 0%

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Trux 💹🧲
Trux 💹🧲@aeontrux·
@notthreadguy what if you just dca’d spx6900 and lived peacefully while you simultaneously outperform everyone, just like the real professional investors have done for decades.
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carrot
carrot@carrotsticksss_·
@notthreadguy ive been struggling with this too. have been in such a defensive mindset which is great for protecting capital but has also made me sell too early/too aggressively
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Agustin
Agustin@ACsstyle·
@notthreadguy the reluctance to lose is exactly what keeps you from winning big fr embrace the risk matee
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Romano
Romano@RNR_0·
@notthreadguy It's all about the PNL card you can share on twitter
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Jobba
Jobba@JobbaTrades·
@notthreadguy Too stubborn to take P’s, to hardened to feel anything when in big losses… Welcome to my life! 🫡
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Mercury
Mercury@TraderMercury·
@notthreadguy it’s also the reason you’ll survive but it’s probably the most difficult thing to overcome the generic advice of “size down” is the correct advice tho
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HOODIE JAKE
HOODIE JAKE@0FJAKE·
@notthreadguy didn't you say the one thing all the best investors you met had in common is they almost never lose money?
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Knight
Knight@KnightWeb3·
@notthreadguy Didn’t you make billions in the L.A vape cabal?
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lbolord
lbolord@lbolord·
@notthreadguy the surest way to never escape the underclass is to lose your risk appetite after you’ve made some shekles. it’s easy to fear negative upnl once you have *something* to lose. but one must find ways to psyop one self to keep gambling in order to reach the next level related:
lbolord@lbolord

@sacha I’ve met two billionaires in my life and the common pattern i found is that they were both extreme risk takers. obv small sample size but feels directionally right. iq alone won’t get you there. these people had made enough to retire and they’d still risk it all again and again

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nukeyr
nukeyr@nukeyr·
@notthreadguy You should be scared to lose money, not being scared is how people roundtrip 7 fig ports to 0
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