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Why I'm an Atheist and why we should all question our beliefs - A THREAD

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Bro brought up AI again. Enjoy your wild delusions

This AI reply still doesn’t escape the deeper question: why is there an eternal reality rather than absolute nothing? Declaring the question invalid because "you're the one asking it" just sidesteps it. Either way, this is metaphysics, not physics or empirical science. No experiment or math framework grounds why reality must be eternal/un-caused versus other possibilities You keep offering the same belief system, ask the AI what evidence it has for this assertion beyond philosophy, tell me how I can prove what you are saying is scientifically correct. I don't want you to tell me what you think for the 5th time, I want you to tell me how I prove it scientifically sound.

They think you are this stupid.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 It can’t have an external cause because external to everything that exists is nonsense. Infinite regression doesn’t work. So it must be eternal, logically speaking You’re assuming “what causes reality” has an answer because you’re the one asking the question

Your argument boils down to: reality = everything that exists, so it can't have an external cause by definition. That's circular, it presupposes existence to explain existence. "Existence can't create existence" is true but doesn't resolve why there is something rather than nothing. Still pure metaphysics, not physics. "Reality is everything that exists" still begs the question, what causes reality, what causes existence? There is no mathematical model or empirical evidence for your claims, its simply a belief system.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 It’s necessarily causal because anything that caused it would already be part of it, since reality is everything that exists, by definition Existence can’t create existence since it presupposes the existence of itself I told you I bored of this discussion long ago

"Reality is necessarily acausal" is a philosophical (or metaphysical) assertion, not a scientific one. You can't defend causal scientific models and evidence-based physics right up to a certain scale, but then declaring infinite regression impossible and shifting to "necessarily acausal" moves the goalposts into pure philosophy. That's fine as philosophy , but it needs to be acknowledged as such, not presented as an obvious extension of the physics discussion. If you want to ground it in science, what experimental evidence or mathematical framework demonstrates that reality must be acausal at the fundamental level rather than just that our current causal intuitions break down? Whatever regression you make, even your "nothing by definition cannot exist", I can simply ask what causes existence?

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Okay but that’s just straight up not the case so all you’re doing is showing how easily deluded you are

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 I know you're using AI for your replies because I've discussed these topics at length with AI, and these arguments, and exact wording, is always what AI eventually starts to use. And simply becomes a circular philosophical/metaphysical argument, certainly not a scientific one.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 I agree, Reality is necessarily acausal. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or a particularly high IQ to realize infinite regression doesn’t work Now what’s this about AI that you’re spewing nonsense about?

You can try and use AI all you want, it won't help you because you have a scientific worldview, therefore your own philosophy means everything must have a causal link tracing the causal chain backward (evolution → Big Bang → etc.) hits a real impasse in a strict 'everything has a prior cause' view: because no matter how far you regress you will always eventually arrive at the uncaused first cause. Your circular 'by definition nothing can't exist' line dodges this rather than a sincere attempt of solving it

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 I’m using AI? Bro in all honesty, what in all hell gave you that idea?

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Anyway, now you are just using AI for your replies, I have no interest in having a circular philosophical argument with a chatbot. Good luck buddy, keep asking questions and keep your mind open.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 It is reducible to the fact that it cannot exist in the absence of the components that result in it and reducibility isn’t so impressive that it requires an infinitely powerful entity anyway Also, “nothing”, by definition, cannot exist The universe didn’t spring out of nothing

It is "irreducible" because it has never been observed and zero experimental evidence exists. That's what "science" is, the study of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and testing through the scientific method to explain observed phenomena. Nothing in genuine science comes close to proving the natural phenomena we observe in consciousness. The only creation of intelligence we have actually observed in nature is through humans with Intelligent design, which itself is a proof of God.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 You are adding concepts such as “perfect” and you simply believe it’s irreducible which is why I’ve lost interest

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 * perfect everything, from nothing. * IRREDUCIBLE complexity. * not limited to. Dunning-Kruger would like a word.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 So the existence of complexity and an active non-zero state of being Well, good luck with that

Again, you are demanding a complex theological/physiological substantiation over a small capacity tweet on Twitter, that's a near impossible task, given the boundaries. But, the evidence I find most compelling, but not limited to is; Existence itself, even if you interpret the Catholic Priest Father Georges Lemaître "Big Bang" theory as the moment of creation (I don't, but I assume you do, so lets go with it), nothing "exploding" into perfect everything, has no causeal element without the divine. Beyond that, the irreducible complexity of Consciousness.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Alright but that’s not what I asked you. I didn’t say prove it. I said what is your evidence and you quoted a physicist. That’s quite nice and all but you know that’s not evidence

You really think, the ultimate question, that has been considered by all the greatest minds throughout history, endless books, philosophy, and theological debate, can be "proved" with a 280 character tweet? Let's just say, after spending my life studying physics and spending the first 90% of my life as an atheist, I side with Werner Heisenberg, the celebrated German theoretical physicist when he was quoted as saying "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you"

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 So what is your evidence for the existence of a god? I’m expecting a good deal of mathematical analysis since you find the world itself worthy of that, so a god should be better than “there just is” too

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Yes, specifically the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Which exists in all places, at all times, without exception. Everytime you open a can of Coke you are seeing an example of the 2nd law in action.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Laws. LAWS

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 At the point laws of physics are broken. x.com/i/status/20405…

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 So which part of the math do you feel stops working at the point of astrophysics? At which point does the school become random nonsense to the degree that you were able to drop it

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Yes, I have a degree in physics, you need to do a lot of mathematics in physics.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Bro I’ma try to be more clear DO YOU KNOW MATH OR NOT

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 I'm saying you have a category error, not a mathematical one, but you won't get it. Good luck buddy, keep asking questions 👍

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Was it the math that did it or did you simply never learn mathematics?

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 No, I gave up on atheism, when I started to understand the lies of science.

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 And now you give up on math and evidence and believe you have more understanding. You shade yourself on this one buddy

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Nothing buddy, 10 years ago I basically had that exact understanding of the universe myself, so there's no shade. You carry on, good luck to you .

@Bello_7777 @mikee_degen @DejaRu22 Yes you can have a STEM background but that won’t make the religion or its beliefs, real

@ArchHomunculus @mikee_degen @DejaRu22 You can be religious and still have a STEM background. The issue is when ✝️ buddy straight up refuses to understand actual science when its beign explained to them. Prob a highschool dropout

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 What do you think you just did?

@ArchHomunculus @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Perfect 😂😂

@mikee_degen @Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 Bro talking about “fake” with ✝️ in his bio

@Bello_7777 @DejaRu22 I'm really not interested in seeing fake specs from a fake picture thanks But you have fun and enjoy your space rockets buddy 👍

@cancroydon @BSF42069 Just an inch or two

@BSF42069 same hands, just reaching a little further.

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