David Daze

Been feeling sick lately so

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple I’m ignoring your dumb entity because there is no declaration of how the scenario is cause. So which option, when it has the majority, kills the other? Is it the blue?

"Who’s causing the blue to die?" I gave you the causal chain of blue dying go read it again and see where it starts "Stop running from with your “somebody”" if you want to ignore the entity that forced us all in to this fucked up game ok, the start of the causal chain for blue dying is now you choosing blue gambling your life, still not red's fault

This representation is so dumb. It completely ignores the objective fact that the trolley doesn't even start moving without the reds collectively starting it.

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Who’s causing the blue to die? Stop running from with your “somebody” that has no relevancy on the outcome of the situation, what causes blue to die?

"And who the fuck is causing the death you illiterate dumb fuck?" the causal chain to death goes like this: 1) somebody forces everyone into this fucked up game 2) some idiots choose blue and put themselves at risk 3) there's not enough idiots choosing blue, so they don't have a majority 4) the somebody that forced this game actually kills the blues

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple And who the fuck is causing the death you illiterate dumb fuck? Hint: It’s not your made up entity you made up in your fucking mind to shift the blame of your dumbass rhetorics, which is not gonna work here

@DavidDazeX @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple nobody, but if they don't, then blue dies blue is gambling their life on being the majority

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple When blue gets the majority vote, who dies?

"My blue vote does not kill others" the votes in and of themselves don't kill anyone either way it's whatever mechanism enforcing the voting result that does the killing "it simply prevents others from being killed" if and only if you have a majority blue if you don't it just adds 1 more body to the pile "e only vote (ACTION) that can be taken to harm is the red vote." nope, red is the only vote that removes harm with a 100% certainty (one less person dies) choosing blue adds harm with a 50% chance (1 more person dies), and removes harm the other 50% of the time

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple and why is the reason blue die? It’s not because you vote blue; there is another option that directly affects the ones who pick blue, that’s red. Red causes the deaths to occur. Our vote goes to harm no one, red kills, it’s a collective responsibility

"You can choose to kill others" again red is NOT at choice to kill "suicide is far better than murdering" you don't only suicide yourself by hitting blue and failing to have a majority, you also suicide/murder everyone else that picked blue except that you're not responsible for anyone else's vote (and vica versa), so the responsibility of other people choosing the potential suicidal option is not yours (and neither is it any red voter's)

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple My blue vote does not kill others, it simply prevents others from being killed, as the only vote (ACTION) that can be taken to harm is the red vote. There is always a threat and it’s on the red side. You’d be killing, doesn’t matter how you frame/view it

"or simply not letting a threat arise in the first place in place" that option is not available choosing blue is inherently risky for both yourself and anyone else picking blue "and I’m not going to choose risking killing others" anyone that chooses blue in an attempt to safe you is at risk, so yes you did

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple It doesn’t fucking matter who’s running the vote, it could’ve been circumstantial or an entity, it doesn’t change how the fucking scenario can be played out. You can choose to kill others, or risk youself dying, and suicide is far better than murdering

a red vote doesn't kill anyone a blue vote that puts you at risk, it is who or whatever running this vote that is doing the killing "and I’d rather ensure no one dies rather than ensuring I don’t die." the only thing you ensured by choosing blue is that 1 more person was at risk of dying any non-dying as a result of choosing blue is conditional and not ensured

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Yes we are discussing a scenario where you can choose between ensuring surviving while risking others die, or simply not letting a threat arise in the first place in place of slight risk of survival, and I’m not going to choose risking killing others

@DavidDazeX @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple "And hypotheticals don’t deal with what currently is reality" we are discussing a specific hypothetical, not current reality, nor "anything like said hypothetical"

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple And your option only ensures the least amount of harm once 100% is pushed, while at the same time threatening the lives of anyone that doesn’t vote your way. It’s just killer mentality, cope

"it’s about ensuring the least amount of harm done and that would be the blue option" blue only ensures the least amount of harm done if blue is the majority, ... which I judge to be really unlikely if blue isn't the majority then choosing blue is actually increasing the amount of harm done

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Exactly, you vote to ensure surviving even if it means risking killing others, and I’d rather ensure no one dies rather than ensuring I don’t die.

your idea of 'being considerate to others' is requiring 4.15 Billion people to risk their lives to keep you alive so sorry, but that rings hollow to me "You simply vote for self-preservation" yes "without being considerate of others" every other has that same self-preservation option available, all they have to do is take it free will is a thing, and I respect it

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple And hypotheticals don’t deal with what currently is reality, so it doesn’t fuckin matter whether it was an entity or circumstantial, it could be a scenario just like this with no buttons involved. Doesn’t change the implications and outcomes, no one cares about your dumb entity

@DavidDazeX @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple "There is no fucking entity written into the scenario" buttons for voting don't just appear out of nowhere, something had to be responsible for it so yes, that entity is written into the scenario implicitly

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Exactly, no one cares about you as a single voter or what you think is more likely, it’s about ensuring the least amount of harm done and that would be the blue option

"And reaching 51% of blue voters is orders of magnitude more likely than" getting half of humanity to not choose self-preservation is orders of magnitude more likely then getting half of humanity to choose to risk their lives to save people only need saving because they put themselves at risk I don't think so at all If I'm wrong, great, then me pushing red is irrelevant, blue gets a majority and everyone lives If I'm right, well at least I didn't kill myself and managed to survive

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple I want to minimize unnecessary deaths. And reaching 51% of blue voters is orders of magnitude more likely than even 80% of red voters to a achieve that. You are the worse, unlikely outcome.

"I vote for blue because I don’t want ANY deaths to occur," I applaud your motivation I just don't find it a realistic, or even likely outcome "I could care less to not survive living in a society full of selfish losers that can’t be trusted to function in a society that requires trust" I don't agree with that characterization of red voters, but by all means stick to that narrow-minded view of the world

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple There is no fucking entity written into the scenario, and whatever the entity is if there is one, has no bearing on the outcomes possible, unless the literal fucking scenario changes you buffoon, no one cares about your dumbass entity

"It is an action that risks the blue pressers lives" we're all pressing buttons at the same time there are not blue pressers at the time I make my vote "you would have to pick between the 2 options; Risk killing others, or risk losing your life" false representation: I'm not risking killing others by voting red Even if red has the majority it's not red doing the killing, any killing is done by the entity that set up this scenario no amount of gas-lighting is gonna get me to accept responsibility for you willingly taking a stupid risk unnecessarily

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple I vote for blue because I don’t want ANY deaths to occur, and I could care less to not survive living in a society full of selfish losers that can’t be trusted to function in a society that requires trust

"people can be damned to death by order and still be responsible. This is no different." I'm not ordering any deaths by voting red "You chose the option that kills others" I did not You choose the option that made your life dependent on having the majority agree with you You had another option available, you choose not to take it, that's on you

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Because it’s written into the scenario. If the majority vote red, the blue voters die. It doesn’t have to be you directly killing them to cause the killing No one is forcing a vote either way; you vote to kill others, cope

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Incorrect. The red option damns the blue voters to death, it is the only option that kills. It is not a “press it and I’m fine and that’s it” option. It’s a “press it and I’m fine but I’m adding to the likelihood that others can die”

"You choosing red does nothing for anyone except you" right, nor does it need to "at the expense of others" false, everyone else has the safe, red option available regardless of my choice therefore my choice isn't at the expense of anyone "The blame is on you" nope, if you choose the risky path, and I'm not forcing you to, then the blame for that choice has absolutely nothing to do with me "vote for red, as that’s the only way anyone can die" nobody can die unless they vote blue unless you vote blue other peoples choices and what the majority is are of no consequence

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple We all get that you choose red, but it is not a sit-out option that you make it out to be. It is an action that risks the blue pressers lives. You don’t get to sit out in the scenario, you would have to pick between the 2 options; Risk killing others, or risk losing your life

"The only risk present in the scenario is the red option" no, that's the one that eliminates risk "My blue vote does nothing to you," true, and my red vote doesn't do anything to you either what your blue vote does do is put you at risk you are the one that made the choice to be at risk your choice, your responsibility "you absolutely are the one responsible for deaths in the scenario" nope, I'm neither the one choosing to be at risk, nor the one doing the killing not my choice, not my action therefore not my responsibility

@cobaco123 @bloochris6 @JayExci @DaCullahBlurple Your red vote does do something to us and that’s the thing you can’t even seem to understand, but it makes sense coming from you. You can’t think beyond first-order effects and that your vote puts other peoples lives in danger.