Galactipoly
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@GalacticPoly If I supported policies that not only required involuntary unpaid labor but also relied on reproductive exploitation, I would probably avoid making references to slavery.
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@GalacticPoly what do you think an artificial womb is? It's life support.
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@LyssAnthrope That's your view. I see pregnancy as care and it being a biological process doesn't negate that. In fact it reinforces it in my opinion. We're ordered towards taking care of our children on a biological level even if some people psychologically don't want to.
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@GalacticPoly But all of this is really secondary to the major issue. CULPABILITY FOR ANYTHING REQUIRES A VOLUNTARY ACT OR OMISSION.
A parent can have a duty to provide care.
Pregnancy is literally an involuntary biological process.
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@LyssAnthrope Yes and slavery was once legal as well. I'm sure glad we went away from that and towards a right of support for children and an assumptive default to biological parents as the caregivers.
All social and legal things are human inventions.
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@GalacticPoly The idea adults automatically have enforceable positive duties of care toward children is not universal across history; it’s a relatively modern legal and social invention.
1974: first enforceable, comprehensive child neglect law became a nationwide legal baseline in the US.
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@LyssAnthrope And I don't know which state would deny the assumptive caretaker is the biological parents.
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@LyssAnthrope Ok well I don't know one state that doesn't believe in the right of support for children currently so it's a widely accepted concept.
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@LyssAnthrope The whole concept is that you can have an implied responsibility tied to an action. You even stated here with the babysitting example. Thank you.
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@GalacticPoly No no it actually doesn't because that's not "voluntary assumption of responsibility"
It's tort liability based on causation of harm.
Voluntary assumption of responsibility is taking physical custody of a child when you're babysitting, which creates a positive duty to care
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@LyssAnthrope Sure which is where I would have the moral axiom that children deserve to be taken care of. It all comes down to moral axioms.
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@GalacticPoly Support" is doing a lot of work here.
Biology explains how children come into existence, but it doesn’t, by itself, determine who is obligated to care for them. That has always depended on social roles, recognition, and institutions.
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@LyssAnthrope parents are the default and children have a right to support. Now I understand you will still argue that pregnancy isn't a requirement of anyone as per your framework and I'll gladly keep arguing it should be.
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@LyssAnthrope This seems more a technical issue than a fundamental moral and philosophical one.
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@GalacticPoly Even once DNA testing became available presumption that a child born to a married woman is legally the child of her husband, can and does sometimes override this idea of biological paternity having any legal significance.
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@LyssAnthrope Which is why the father was assumed via marriage. Cool
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@GalacticPoly Parentage for children traditionally tracked marriage.
Genetic testing was not available until mid 1980s and even then genetic relatedness was not a trump card.
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@LyssAnthrope including closest genetic link and biggest incentive for care. Closest link to the party responsible for their existence etc This does not mean caregivers status cant pass onto some other party who voluntarily assumes responsibility. It's just a well accepted idea that the bio
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@LyssAnthrope I mean this is true of all moral axioms. How is yours different?
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@GalacticPoly A lot of perception of a parental duty operates in vibes not reality.
People talk about moral duties and they think that their social expectations automatically creates duties that can be enforced by third parties even though that's just not the case
I'll point out an example
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@LyssAnthrope Which is just a real world example of how voluntary assumption of responsibility can be implied.
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@LyssAnthrope You are just ignoring the difference between the parent child relationship and driver pedestrian one. It does get me what I want.
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@LyssAnthrope And the difference between the relationship of a parent and child versus a driver and pedestrian.
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@LyssAnthrope Like you're completely ignoring the legal and physical concepts of parenthood.
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@Oscar1051128 I mean this post right here implicitly implies I'm talking about the legality fallacy which is about wrongly claiming morality from legality.
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Once you force someone to be dependent on you for survival, you are morally obligated to support them.
This is why abortion is wrong.
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@Oscar1051128 I just mocked how you moved the goal post and you just said case in point. Cool.....
Still not going to accept legal murder is a contradiction in terms?
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@Oscar1051128 That would go to you.
"Find me an example"
"No not that example"
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@GalacticPoly Sorry the jury is out on your ability to think.
But your ability to change the argument as quickly as you lose it, is first rate.
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@Oscar1051128 Can you admit legal murder is a contradiction of terms? Otherwise this false bravado of intelligence is just masking giant misunderstandings.
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@GalacticPoly We could discuss abortion politics on Narnia too.
I should have been more clear for the easily and willfully confused.
GIF
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