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Aiming to bring everyone who is willing to lose their life for Christ home to His Body, the Holy Orthodox Catholic Church ☦️

शामिल हुए Mayıs 2021
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
@The_Cathodox What is your motive for pinpointing this down, may I ask? Understand that 1672 is not infallible. The bishops never declared it to be so. It is generally accepted as a good rebuttal to protestantism. If you want more precise info on it, go talk to a bishop.
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Cathodox@The_Cathodox·
@ReturnOrthodoxy You have an incorrect understanding of confession and the Roman position on sins being forgiven outside of the sacraments. But this is besides the point. You said decree 18 has flawed western theology. Is this theology heretical? If not- how is it flawed?
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Cathodox@The_Cathodox·
A dogmatic/confessional contradiction I found in Eastern Orthodoxy on punishment after death. These confessions are accepted by multiple patriarchs. 1642 No temporary punishment after death 1672 Temporary punishment after death 1838 No temporary punishment after death Thoughts?
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Lucas U. Curcio
Lucas U. Curcio@MethodMinistry·
Ask an EO how they know their church is infallible and they’ll engage in circular reasoning, EO: “Because the Scripture says the Holy Spirit will guide us.” Prot: “How do you know that interpretation is infallible?” EO: “Because the EOC is the true church.” Prot: “How do you know that?” EO: Circles back to first answer. It’s trying to prove their church by the Bible while arguing that you can only prove the Bible by their church.
CleavetoAntiquity@C2Antiquity

If Protestantism is true, then the Bible lied and Christianity is false: Protestants hold to Sola Scriptura “The Bible Alone” as their sole infallible authority for matters of faith, and claim no tradition or interpretation is infallible. If no infallible tradition or interpretation is possible, then there is no objective truth in matters of interpretation of the scripture. If this is the case the Bible lied when it declared “The Church is the ground and pillar of truth.” (1 Timothy 3:15) If the scripture lied, the author is a false prophet according to the standards of scripture. (Deuteronomy 18:22) Which would disprove Christianity itself.

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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
Oh you're referring to that decree? That's not heretical, just hard to understand. Yeah if you kill someone, repent in your heart, but then die and cannot make up for it in this life, then you absolutely can be barred from Paradise for a while as a punishment. That is not the same thing as purgatory, which states that ALL sins must be cleansed through punishment there before entering Paradise. It's reserved for extreme sins. RC says that unless you specifically go to confession and confess to a priest, your mortal sin can condemn you forever, and venial sins have to be punished in Purgatory. This, to me, is downright asinine, given that confession to a priest is a known non-apostolic practice (confessing to other men morphed into that later). This all being said, even decree 18 is subject to the flaw of western theology and should be taken with a grain of salt, especially when we all know today that punishment is not the language usually used for those in Christ.
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Cathodox@The_Cathodox·
@ReturnOrthodoxy Some Bishops aren't a true authority though. Bishops have at times rejected various ecumenical councils and dogmas. Crete and various authoritative synods and saints say 1672 is binding. Who says it isn't or that decree 18 is heretical?
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
@The_Cathodox I don't know names off the top of my head but there have been several bishops which stated discrepency on the western terms. I believe the approved Russian version of the text omitted punishment if I recall.
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
@BasedinOhio777 @IndianaBrunner I dare you to go read Ignatius' letters to the churches and come back here and tell me that protestants match him on apostolic succession, the bishop, catholicity, and the Eucharist.
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Based in Ohio@BasedinOhio777·
@ReturnOrthodoxy @IndianaBrunner None of the practices and theologies Protestants and Catholics and EO disagree on show up for hundreds of years later... But nice try
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Indiana Brunner
Indiana Brunner@IndianaBrunner·
I’ve never understood Catholic or Orthodox apologists. The moment they move beyond exclusively quoting “infallible” Church teachings and begin explaining what those teachings mean, they’re doing the very thing they accuse Protestants of doing: “relying on your own interpretation.” Even more confusing are the apologists who appeal to Scripture or historical sources that have never been “infallibly” interpreted by their Church. In those cases, they’re simply offering their own concoction of evidence while insisting Protestants cannot do the same.
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
@MethodMinistry We don't think everything us "infallible" as you accuse. If you mean how do I know it's valid, we have records of succession that go all the way back for thr Patriarchs. How do you know that the early Church preserved the Scriptures without changing them?
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
Literally every RC comment irl and online sounds like this. "Lol these schismatics lol what a joke lol that 8 year old one-way politically motivated break in communion lol canon isn't dogmatic (who freaking cares) lol lol lol" Like dude I cannot take you seriously when you won't take us seriously.
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
Protestants don't use all of Scripture. They (usually) say the Old Testament is irrelevant now despite Paul said they are for instruction in righteousness, and they also skip over James, 1 John, which clearly show a more Orthodox way of salvation. So yes, just a few letter. All they ever quote is Romans, Galatians, a bit of Colossians, as well as cherrypicking a couple the others.
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
@BIG_SGT_D Communism works if you have a perfect leader that isn't corruptible. But that's why it can never work here on earth.
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Just Thomas@BIG_SGT_D·
🚨 Communism 🤖 Seeing the gospel in a sociological way shifts the focus from individual salvation to how the message of Jesus Christ challenges and transforms human systems, power structures, and cultural relationships. It asks not just what the gospel means for a single person, but what it means for society as a whole. 🫤 That's nothing more than sugarcoated words to cover their true intent. The gospel is about salvation for man, not salvation for government. This is using christianity to get government control. Pope Francis can say stuff like this because the majority of people are ignorant of communism and the Bible. “Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience.” -Karl Marx
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Based in Ohio@BasedinOhio777·
@ReturnOrthodoxy @IndianaBrunner Using "evidence" that didn't show up until 400 years later or more, or has conflicting arguments from other saints isn't the sound argument you want it to be.
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Kalen@KalenWilliams_·
@xcnikahd So no Protestant is Christian?
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Kalen@KalenWilliams_·
Just spent an hour and a half in a group full of Creedal Christians, who couldn’t come up with a criteria/method/or a list that defines whether or not someone is a Christian. Could someone please provide that criteria/method/or list??
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
Sure. Are you joined to the Holy Orthodox Catholic Church? If not, then you're not, by definition, a Christian. That's not to say anything at all about one's heart though, nor what Christ might be doing in their life to save them. But there has to be a boundary for the name itself.
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Return of the Sheep ☦️@ReturnOrthodoxy·
Lots of people claim Scripture but have wacky views. I'm sure if we talked more, I would find lots of issues with what you believe. Protestants are a big mesh of half-truths that come in a wild variety from person to person. That's not how the Church that Christ established operates.
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Ian O'Donnell
Ian O'Donnell@GLConcreteCo·
@ReturnOrthodoxy @thaddeusthought Its Scripture. I am protestant, because I am placed in that bucket, by simply being "not you" but there are a lot of "Protestants", that think like this, by no means everyone but an "amount". Pastor @dr_andywoods is a good source on this. Thanks bro
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Ian O'Donnell@GLConcreteCo·
@ReturnOrthodoxy @thaddeusthought but its always faith first, he's not talking works, then faith, its an orderly structure. "various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces [d]endurance"
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No, not specifically for the quick rejection. The Union of Florence (1439) was repudiated almost immediately in Constantinople by monks, clergy & laity over theology & perceived imperial pressure for Western aid vs. Ottomans. Many bishops retracted signatures under domestic backlash before 1453. Ottoman sultans did later appoint anti-unionist patriarchs (e.g. Gennadios Scholarios post-conquest) to block Western ties, which helped entrench the schism long-term. But the initial collapse happened under Byzantine emperors.
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Incredulous Papist
Incredulous Papist@IncredPapist_·
The Pope will try to find common ground with literally everyone but the SSPX. Because heaven forbid a group want to faithfully preserve our tradition. That’s somehow more evil than all manner of heretic and heathen, who he’ll gladly engage in “ecumenical dialogue” with.
Michael Haynes 🇻🇦@MLJHaynes

BREAKING: Pope Leo on the SSPX consecrations — “I am considering making another appeal and saying ‘don't do this, let's try to live the communion of the Church.’ But it is their choice. We must realize what it means for them and for the Church. Certainly, the division among Christians is a painful point. However, they refuse to accept some fundamental elements of the Church, starting with several points of the Second Vatican Council. If they make that choice, I am sorry. But we must move forward”

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