@furiouswhopper @srob_ I haven’t made an argument yet
Look at the rest of the phrase that you butchered
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Punished Elder
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@DigitalPastaFan @srob_ I love how your entire argument has devolved to circular reasoning based on your failed and incorrect interpretation... incredible work.
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Genuinely wild to include this passage and claim it supports your views!
Christian Heiens 🏛@ChristianHeiens
How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that the original intent of the 14th amendment’s authors was for citizenship to be automatically granted to the children of tourists, illegals, and even enemy combatants who are being held on American soil? The man who wrote the amendment quite literally went on the Senate floor and publicly declared that it wouldn’t apply to foreigners or aliens.
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@furiouswhopper @srob_ Explain to me how one can be born in the US yet a foreigner or alien
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@srob_ Oh no, Stewart pal... can you read?
"This will not, of course, include ... foreigners [or] aliens..."
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@Normonism @krillyboy @csmaddox2008 The fact that Kim, just a decade after Wilkins, reinforced birthright citizenship shows that there was not a precedent set
The US, in general, has treated Natives as exceptions to the rule. In part because geography is not as important for tribal sovereignty
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@DigitalPastaFan @krillyboy @csmaddox2008 If that were true, Native Americans born off the reservation would have been granted citizenship prior to 1924.
They were not.
In other words, the precedent set by Native American policy goes against birthright citizenship.
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Trevor Lee@VoteTrevorLee
Ending birthright citizenship is essential for American sovereignty. The 14th Amendment was written to protect freed slaves after the Civil War not to reward illegal immigrants with anchor babies that enable chain migration. Most nations require at least one citizen parent. Automatic citizenship by soil location incentivizes lawbreaking, burdens taxpayers, and dilutes the meaning of citizenship. We must choose who joins our nation not let geography decide. Time to fix it. #EndBirthrightCitizenship
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@Normonism @krillyboy @csmaddox2008 No, that’s because tribes and reservations are considered at least semi sovereign and thus not “US soil”.
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@krillyboy @DigitalPastaFan @csmaddox2008 "All people, excepting American Indians (etc.) can be on US soil but not subject to the jurisdiction thereof."
Correct. And this is the point.
Being on US soil =/= being subject to US jurisdiction. This is why the amendment does not grant citizenship on birth alone.
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@TheGrapeGatsby2 @michaelSD1717 @JustinWStapley It does for those who aren’t technically born in the US
Some random Mexican being born to illegals here is qualitatively different to a native being born on tribal land
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@DigitalPastaFan @michaelSD1717 @JustinWStapley So you're saying that the plain text of the 14th Amendment doesn't demand birthright citizenship for every person born in the US?
Sounds like we agree 👍
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"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
When it comes to abandoning the plain speech of the Constitution and trying to turn it into a "living document," we've reached the point where, yes, both sides do it. And we should reject both sides when they try to do it.
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@TheGrapeGatsby2 @michaelSD1717 @JustinWStapley So the country at the time didn't consider them born on US soil
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@TheGrapeGatsby2 @michaelSD1717 @JustinWStapley Tribes were considered sovereign, or at least quasi-sovereign
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@DigitalPastaFan @michaelSD1717 @JustinWStapley What Indians in 1868 didn't live in a US state or US territory?
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@TheGrapeGatsby2 @michaelSD1717 @JustinWStapley Well, that's why most didn't get citizenship. They weren't technically born on US soil
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@michaelSD1717 @JustinWStapley Then why didn't the 14th Amendment confer citizenship to Indians upon ratification in 1868?
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@Normonism @csmaddox2008 Lol you haven’t answered the question, that’s a fact. Totally ok that you don’t want to!
Have a nice day!
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@DigitalPastaFan @csmaddox2008 I know you really believe that.
I’m moving on. Take care.
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Lil gup doesn't know what an appositive is
Can anyone tell me how, if their interpretation is correct, the mention of the children of foreign ministers isn't redundant? They'd already be covered by the mention of foreigners
(Also you literally cannot be born here and an alien)
Christian Heiens 🏛@ChristianHeiens
How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that the original intent of the 14th amendment’s authors was for citizenship to be automatically granted to the children of tourists, illegals, and even enemy combatants who are being held on American soil? The man who wrote the amendment quite literally went on the Senate floor and publicly declared that it wouldn’t apply to foreigners or aliens.
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It looks like the Supreme Court is about to make birthright tourism from China, a Constitutional right.
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@KaiSchwemmer Lol what? Do you have any evidence that fertility rates will be boosted? Afaik it's never been shown to be a wage issue
Even countries that have extremely strict immigration have fertility issues. Foreigners are not the problem here
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This is how we actually get deportations done. The issue of immigration touches everything. Want greater efficacy? Make employment verification online, and enforce immigration law at worksites. This will drive up wages, reduce exploitation, and eventually boost fertility rates.
Mass Deportation Coalition@Phase2Deport
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This is already the case without birthright citizenship
I'm a dual citizen! My foreign parent is a legal resident, and I was technically obligated to serve in the Brazilian military before I got an exemption
Leading Report@LeadingReport
BREAKING: Justice Sam Alito explains that unlimited birthright citizenship means a Chinese, Iranian or Russian foreigner can have a child in America, and that US citizen owes military allegiance to a foreign adversary.
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Counterpoint: If I were the Chinese government, I would simply offer every pregnant woman a first class flight and 5-star hotel accommodations in the US at 8.5 months pregnant, wait 20 years, and then conquer the country. Why would I not do this?
Kurt Schlichter@KurtSchlichter
You guys understand we’re going to lose the birthright citizenship case, right? Before you completely freak out, the traditional understanding of the 14th Amendment, which we are seeking to change, is not an insane reading of it. Nor are our arguments insane like the left has been same. That’s baloney to just shut us up. Neither side is frivolous. It’s a tough call legally and objectively speaking. But when we lose it, and I think we will, don’t freak out that this is some sort of conspiracy. It’s a hard legal decision. Sadly, we have three judges who aren’t even going to try to examine the question and will always vote for what leftists want. But the rest of the court has to make a tough legal call. I think our reading is the correct one. For various reasons, I think they’re going to rule against us. Don’t freak out when they do. It’s not an utterly irrational ruling like so many of the district court opinions we’ve seen.
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