@DanielBorowsk13 @joschafalck cool, schauen wir uns an 👍
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@VisualInkPub @joschafalck Dann könntet ihr ja eine Übersetzung hiervon herausbringen. Das hat richtig Substanz.
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@Herr_Ka_Punkt @joschafalck Sehr gute Idee! Jetzt brauchen wir nur noch einen Herausgeber oder eine Herausgeberin 😇
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl @mpershan Again, it's not about a single paper
You're looking for a Nature publication and missing the forest for the trees 😇
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl @mpershan So you can‘t point to a paper?
May be this one only contains a bit of evidence.
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Reminder:
There is no peer-reviewed paper on #BuildingThinkingClassrooms by @pgliljedahl. And there isn't even a single non-reviewed paper on its effectiveness for learning.
no paper => no research
The research-based claim is fake.
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl @mpershan You can read through all of his papers 😇
BTC is about the accumulated insights rather than one or few definitive papers
Peter's work spans years, and BTC distills key findings into actionable steps for teachers
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl @mpershan I did not ask for a random list of google scholar. Show me a paper (or some papers) you have read and that contain the alleged evidence.
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@DanielBorowsk13 @VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl @mpershan "Gegen eine Dummheit, die gerade in Mode ist, kommt keine Klugheit auf." Theodor Fontane
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The aim of Building Thinking Classrooms is not to answer every research question
Of course, you could do more research
It's *based on research,* but it's not a PhD thesis that cites references for every statement and every number
Because here's the problem: no one other than academics reads them
If you write a popular book, you need to make it generally accessible
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl @mpershan I am not sure, how one could agree with this article and still be a proponent of Liljedahls Thinking Classroom.
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl @mpershan "I've probably known Peter for 20 years...about as long as I've been in Canada. A simple google scholar search (scholar.google.com/scholar?start=…) will turn up lots of the research evidence which is 'distilled' in the BTC book."
open.substack.com/pub/pershmail/…
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl @mpershan So what exactly do you think is the paper that contains the required evidence?
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl @mpershan Peaked into all the comments 🫡
Check out this one in particular:
open.substack.com/pub/pershmail/…
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl @mpershan I guess you have also peeked into the comments of this comment?
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl Have you read any of his conference papers?
If yes, which one would you consider as good? As worth a discussion?
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl For what it’s worth it, other scientific fields, such as computer science and deep learning, publish predominantly at conferences
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl You *can* or you *should* doesn’t mean you have to ☺️
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl It's a different kind of research
And yes, it is documented in peer-reviewed (book and conference) publications
x.com/VisualInkPub/s…
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl You're looking for a different kind of research Peter isn't doing randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies 😅 As described in the introduction of the book, his approach is more like field research, going into classrooms, observing students
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl Yes, you go into the logic game.
But consider: Two decades of so called research on BTC. And not any journal article on BTC. Only a few book chapters and conference papers. And none of them close to any evidence for learning or that kind.
You call this „solid research“?
GIF
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl You're looking for a different kind of research
Peter isn't doing randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies 😅
As described in the introduction of the book, his approach is more like field research, going into classrooms, observing students
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl Since you now agree with the first point.
The second point is: Even in the non-refereed articles of @pgliljedahl there is no evidence for the effectiveness for learning of BTC.
He just doesn’t provide any evidence of this kind.
Daniel Borowski@DanielBorowsk13
Dear Prof. @pgliljedahl, I am searching for scientific evidence that the #thinkingclassroom method leads to the students becoming better problem solvers. Can you provide any? Thanks, Daniel
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Yes, it's a great article because it analyzes the sources of the book objectively
– it doesn't say there's no evidence
It spurs a debate about how much evidence there is (which is a fair debate to have!)
Did you read the comments by SK?
Too long; didn't read:
"BTC is not a research text. It is a popular text, meant for a popular audience."
It's based on research by Peter, but it doesn't claim to be a scientific publication
– it's not a PhD thesis 😇
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl I guess you know this blog article by @mpershan :
pershmail.substack.com/p/the-evidence…
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl No, that's not a bijective relation
Solid research should be published in journals – agree
But that doesn't imply research published outside of journals isn't solid
That is a false logical conclusion
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl So you're basically saying the following?
You admit that what Peter Liljedahl has done in relation to BTC is not solid research.
But you still insist it is a kind of unsolid research.
What is the good of unsolid research?
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl Agree.
But it doesn't mean book and conference publications aren't peer-reviewed or ain't research 😇
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl Solid research should condensate in peer-reviewed articles in scientific journals.
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl Have you read his papers yet?
peterliljedahl.com/publications
Show me a peer-reviewed paper on BTC.
Show me just any paper that addresses the effectiveness for learning of BTC.
Tell me why he does not list his book on BTC on the university website any more.
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@DanielBorowsk13 @pgliljedahl You should try the chocolate cake and read the book
It's delicious 😇
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@VisualInkPub @pgliljedahl Is this all you can offer?
Just no attempt to defend the research-backed claim?
You should then stop advertising the book as research-backed.
Advertise #ThinkingClassrooms as chocolate cake!
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@DanielBorowsk13 "I didn't have time to taste, but here's a thought" 😇
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