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can people just have normal pfps. im so fucking scared

@charliekirky88 @v3lvetcatac0mbs @claironated anna you're like 14, get off twitter and any other forms of social media. the fact that you're arguing against your own rights is concerning when you can't even spell certain words correctly. you support a man that thinks women who get raped shouldn't have access to healthcare.

@v3lvetcatac0mbs @claironated @bringusbullets No its cause I diddnt know anything about politics before charlie kirk died he was significant but I just ignored politics cause I diddnt know what it was until he died than I saw his videos and it taught me and thats what got me into politics

y'all just be saying words atp

@charliekirky88 @claironated that’s a belief, not a universal rule. you can’t build a whole moral conclusion on a premise not everyone shares.

@claironated @bringusbullets Exept the baby is already a part of this world it already exists and Jesus gave it that existence and you shouldent take that away

@SecretAngelics yeah, if i know my child is gonna be born with half a skull it would just be cruel to not abort them before they have to suffer

@bringusbullets with some disabilities not aborting is morally questionable sorry

@ribcat32 @esubeppu framing disabled people as acceptable statistical losses in a “cost-benefit analysis” is exactly why this topic can’t just be reduced to that kind of thinking.

@bringusbullets @esubeppu She is technically correct and it’s also a form a eugenics but it’s one of those things the average person either don’t think about or don’t care about justifiably. A lot of morality is just unspoken cost benefit analysis and if 90% of Down syndrome babies get aborted so be it

@wolfeliterati queerness isn’t a “possible outcome” you prepare for in the same way as medical conditions. that framing doesn’t really apply and ends up treating identity like a defect scenario, which is the issue. queerness isn’t a condition you screen for at birth

i mean shes right if youre not ready for the possibility of your child being disabled or even queer then you should not have kids at all

@Aminok0 certain disabilities/conditions can absolutely be detected before birth through ultrasounds, blood tests, amniocentesis, etc. not all of them obviously, but many can

@bringusbullets how tf do we know they have a disability before theyre born lol

@trag1cangel @Feathered1Wings some disabilities are manageable and compatible with a good quality of life while others can involve severe pain or constant medical intervention so imo it just depends heavily on the situation

@bringusbullets @Feathered1Wings i dont like the way she worded this but there is definitely a point behind this, cus then where do you draw the line? only physical disabilities? babies with down syndrome? you can’t determine a humand quality of life due to their disability

@Ladykil38285354 i don’t think acknowledging ethical complexity automatically makes someone anti-choice though. you can support bodily autonomy while still thinking some situations are morally difficult or emotionally uncomfortable

@bringusbullets idgaf if it's eugenics supporting abortion rights means supporting all reasons for abortions i swear leftists don't agree with pro-life rhetoric not because of the lack of womens bodily autonomy, but because it didnt fit their moral frame work.

@matchaqrty that’s kind of why this discussion is complicated. some disabilities are manageable and compatible with a good quality of life, while others can involve severe pain or constant medical intervention. it depends heavily on the situation

@bringusbullets aborting babies with disabilities is the best thing you could do for it actually

@thintechgodhead obviously eugenics is bad. what i disagree with is collapsing every individual abortion involving disability into the framework of eugenics as though theres no meaningful distinction between coercive population control and a private medical decision made by an individual family

genuinely wondering how on earth you’re unable to comprehend the very basic sentiment of “eugenics is bad” here

@V00UGHTS yeah that’s a better way to phrase it tbh. my issue isn’t “i can’t comprehend what she means,” it’s that the framing feels way too absolute for a topic that’s this complicated

@bringusbullets I don’t think that the sort of abortion she describes should be prohibited or that people should be shamed for it at all. It’s just that “just saying words” = “saying nonsense” rather than… lacking nuance or having a disagreeable stance.

@V00UGHTS obviously the sentence makes sense grammatically, i just think reducing an extremely complex medical and personal decision to “that’s ableism” is shallow and detached from reality. understanding a point ≠ agreeing that it’s nuanced or intelligent

@bringusbullets She’s NOT just saying words; you just don’t agree with her… Her sentence makes complete sense in itself.

@myparasaint oh my god i know exactly what ur talking about it's genuinely disgusting that people use their disabled children for shock value and views

@bringusbullets i'm not gonna attach an image cuz it is so so upsetting just to see it but arguments like this make me think of that one tiktok account && their baby with an actual giant head

@youaremy4ngel this

i feel like aborting a baby with a disability is better so they dont have to live in pain everyday. the world is shit enough as is i think we should support the idea of not making babies go through it

@bringusbullets i see where she thought she was saying something but like??

@angeliscence son probably 😭

@bringusbullets he forsure thinking he's being mysterious with it too 😭😭😭

i hate plugs why am i in silent hill rn

@claironated EXACTLY

@bringusbullets what shes saying is so stupid😭😭 i would nlt bring a child into this world after finding out its going to suffer..hypothetically say my doctor told me my baby is gonna have sickle cell disease, id abort immediately idc