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@TerryMoran If according to Heritage CA election fraud happens a couple of times per year on a conviction basis, and surely convictions are only a fraction of the fraud, and thousands are screaming that fraud seems to have happened with the Raman surge....well maybe it's worth investigation?

@TerryMoran So how does that process as "negligible" or "infinitesimal", suggesting that we should ignore concerns about the Raman surge as Rep propaganda? It does not. electionfraud.heritage.org/search?state=ca

It’s not about arguments. It’s about facts. I know one great fact about American elections, and I know it because the Republican Party has proved it to me: There is no election fraud of any consequence anywhere in the United States. The Republican Party and its allies, FOR DECADES, have been searching high and low, in every corner of our country, for evidence of election fraud. This effort has been made with vast sums of money and other resources, and with some of the greatest powers in our nation at the party’s disposal: A presidential commission under President Donald Trump. The Department of Justice under President Donald Trump, armed with the resources of the FBI, and the powers of subpoena. Committees of Congress under Republican control, also armed with the powers of subpoena and the investigative resources of the first branch of government. State legislatures under Republican control, also with subpoena powers, have launched similar efforts to find evidence of election fraud. Republican-controlled states have set up special commissions and task forces, some with subpoena powers, all well-funded and with access to the state’s electoral systems. Conservative academics and think tanks have launched projects seeking out evidence of election fraud. Fox News and the rest of MAGA media have dedicated significant resources to finding evidence of election fraud. What is the result of this enormous Republican effort to find election fraud? Ask The Heritage Foundation. For nearly a decade, Heritage has maintained an “Election Fraud Database.” The database contains “proven instances of election fraud.” It covers elections going back nearly fifty years. That’s billions and billions of American votes. Right now, the total number of proven instances of election fraud that Heritage can document is: 1620. That’s an infinitesimal number, vanishingly small, and it is solid proof of two things: 1. Some individuals commit election fraud. 2. There is no evidence at all of systemic or even widespread election fraud anywhere in the USA. The election-fraud panic is the Big Lie of our time. It is peddled by people who know better. Their own investigations over decades demonstrate that. Stop trying to subvert our democracy. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

@rosterbatorium @DrewMichaels20 @TerryMoran You're ignoring the fact that Dems claimed the Prez election was stolen in every election of the 21st century when they lost--2000, 2004, 2016, and 2024. Claiming fraud when they lose is a bipartisan affair.

@jprokc @DrewMichaels20 @TerryMoran And back to Terry's comment: "Can I prove the moon is made of cheese? No. But that is part of my proof that the moon is made of cheese." Claiming fraud without proof hurts the democratic process far more than the idea that someone, somewhere COULD be cheating.

This guy’s a leader of the rigged-elections camp. Admits he can’t prove anything. Says it doesn’t matter. Because the “structure” allows “fraud that cannot be detected.” Can I prove the moon is made of cheese? No. But that is part of my proof that the moon is made of cheese.

@sandeew18 @TerryMoran Maybe you're forgetting how Dems claimed the Prez election was stolen in Bush 2000 and 2004, and Trump 2016 and 2024?

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@rosterbatorium @DrewMichaels20 @TerryMoran Back to the original topic, we're talking about concerns in the Raman surge, potential voter fraud in this very important case, not about "widespread".

@jprokc @DrewMichaels20 @TerryMoran If we're not talking "large scale", then we're talking about solutions in search of a problem. It's not moving the goalposts, it's simple logic.

@ACope804 @murder_turd @TerryMoran Auntie, thx for the kind words. I love changing my mind, it's a thrill, feels like progress. Esp. when it's an epiphany, those are the best. Unfortunately in this thread I haven't had that pleasure yet, it's mostly just responding to tribal yelling. BTW who "gets it" anyway?

@jprokc @murder_turd @TerryMoran Enjoying seeing your growth and evolution in this thread. You’re so close to getting it.

@don_fender33771 @MushFatty @Wbtesq @TerryMoran Then you're either not reading or not thinking, one of the two.

@jprokc @MushFatty @Wbtesq @TerryMoran Feelings are all I’ve seen you produce so far.

@my_friggin_gosh @TerryMoran I haven't disappeared, I've been replying prolifically on this thread. And the steel man for fraud in the Raman surge is still out there, seek & ye shall find.

@TerryMoran @jprokc Guy asks for a steelman argument but disappears as soon as one is presented

@The_HistOracle @CitizenMachina @TerryMoran OK point taken, the original topic was CA but it digressed here into GA. My bad.

@jprokc @CitizenMachina @TerryMoran We were discussing Georgia.

@don_fender33771 @TerryMoran Who is this "tribal man who sees election fraud behind every election where he doesn’t like the results"? Not me. People are willing to believe the most fantastic things about their perceived enemies, it's how they demonize.

@jprokc @TerryMoran “Because when your tribal mind is made up, you're not interested in the steel man” says the tribal man who sees election fraud behind every election where he doesn’t like the results 🤡

@don_fender33771 @MushFatty @Wbtesq @TerryMoran Did I say they were?

@jprokc @MushFatty @Wbtesq @TerryMoran Feelings are not evidence

@johnric42104881 @NateStern @TerryMoran Yeah me too, I love being proven wrong and learning something new. Especially when it's an epiphany, I love epiphanies, they're so refreshing like a mental bath.

@jprokc @NateStern @TerryMoran I don't personally blame them. 95% of the Trump news is negative. It takes an effort to find reality. I give them a few chances at civil discourse. The dynamic is super annoying. I welcome being proven wrong & learning something new.

@sistercc52 @TerryMoran The question on the table is whether there was fraud in the Raman surge, given it's peculiarity. That seems like a valid question to ask, no? You don't have to widen it to "widespread fraud".

@jprokc @TerryMoran After years of searching for fraud, I wish Republicans could show us all the widespread voter fraud they have found.

@The_HistOracle @CitizenMachina @TerryMoran If you think conservatives run the government in the US, you could use a bit of red-pilling. Especially since we're talking about California, the Blue Lagoon.

@CitizenMachina @TerryMoran @jprokc I've heard all that for 6 years. Still nothing yet. Conservatives run the state. All three branches. Have for years. There was absolutely nothing found to have possibly altered the outcome of the 2020 election. Zip. Just stop. Seek help.

@johnric42104881 @NateStern @TerryMoran I know, I have no delusions about tribal fanatics. When I reason with them, I don't have any expectation of reason in return. But what else can you do on Twitter? I think Michelle Obama was on to something, "When they go low we go high." At least that way we keep our dignity.

@jprokc @NateStern @TerryMoran Have you noticed yet that they require proof yet they had no qualms with Trump/Russian collusion w/o an iota of evidence forget proof. They also completely ignore that Dems are the unparalleled kings of denying elections. You're trying to reason w textbook fanatics.

@AdamRob38 @TerryMoran This is such a common cliche nowadays, did you read it off a cereal box? Despite all the tribal yelling, the question at hand is not "widespread voter fraud" but the Raman surge. This one election.

@jprokc @TerryMoran There is NO evidence of widespread voter fraud.

@angry_snowflake @TerryMoran 😂🤣When reminiscing on her student poverty days, Megan McCardle once remarked that when in the grocery store: "I gazed longingly at the brand-name ramen." That has stuck with me as the perfect concise description of student poverty, like a haiku or something.

@jprokc @TerryMoran I’m often wonder why, when I run out of food, I eat the stashed Ramen that’s out of date in my pantry. Is that the Ramen surge?

@rosterbatorium @DrewMichaels20 @TerryMoran Or maybe you're just dumb and didn't realize you were moving the goalposts.

@rosterbatorium @DrewMichaels20 @TerryMoran Drew never claimed "large scale" voter fraud, only that it exists, with 4 good examples. And ofc 4 examples, no matter how good, could ever even suggest "large scale" fraud, let alone "prove" it. You moved the goalposts, apparently to get the answer you wanted from Grok.