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@PlasmaWave42 @Awk20000 He is a master debater, even, some would say.

@Awk20000 Wow it’s almost like Destiny is taking what Asmongold said and having an opinion on it and then publishing that opinion. Wow man but let’s try and force the guy who doesn’t want to “debate” to “debate”. Destiny is a great debater and could make anyone look bad in a debate.

Destiny responds to Asmongold rejecting his proposal for political streamers to be obligated to defend their ideas in debate

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I’m officially convinced. It was a hoax. The Trump Administration recruited a leftist Kamala Harris voting Trump hater to participate in a staged assassination that would include the shooter getting shot at and then locked in federal prison for the rest of his life. The Kamala Harris voter agreed to this plan, that works against his political and personal interests, because he’s just like a really generous guy. Meanwhile the Trump Administration, despite dastardly planning multiple assassination hoaxes, decided to keep their patsy alive and a permanent liability to them, rather than just killing him like they could have easily done. They did this because they also are really strangely generous in a very odd and specific way. So in summary we have a plot where all parties involved are working against their own interests with no real discernible benefit to any of them. There is no evidence of this plan and it doesn’t even make any intuitive sense and the motives for everyone are unclear if not insane, but still I believe it because I’m a very smart person.

@Antoniofilm107 @MattWalshBlog And if they had checked who was staying in the hotel - what do you think they would have found? The person was unknown ...

@MattWalshBlog Real funny. No one is saying that, you jerk. This is a country where individuals are armed all the time. So the Secret Service conveniently didn’t check who was staying at the hotel? No metal detectors? 🤐

@spengjr @havivrettiggur @EylonALevy But i bet you anything he says Asher Yatzar, after every number 2!

@havivrettiggur @EylonALevy Mehdi Hasan doesn’t say Tachanun on Yom Ha’atzmaut, and neither do I

Paragraph 3 of the Shema prayer speaks of "the good land that the Lord is giving you" and tells Jews to steer clear of idolatry (I'm simplifying) "so that your days and the days of your children may be multiplied on the land that the Lord swore to your ancestors to give them, like the days of the heavens over the earth." I don't think @mehdirhasan "loves the Shema." I think he asked ChatGPT to name an important Jewish prayer and picked the first one on the list.

@UNOwen29599192 @adamjohnsonCHI The whitewash where they said that everyone fucked up and almost broke the government? We are still at that false claim?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI No, this is after all a claim from the Kahan commission ,the whitewash where I pointed out they lied about a lot of things. There were just things they couldn't lie about, because others were checking too. No RPGs or evidence of PLO could be found.

This is the rub with all “2 state solution” bromides from high status liberals: you ask them to define a “Palestinian state” and even their most blue sky vision is a completely humiliated bantustan occupied by foreign troops. No such comparable demands ofc are ever made of Israel

@UNOwen29599192 @adamjohnsonCHI Only if you ignore attacking israeli and jewish organization. Right? Right??

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI "If Iran never had taken direct action against Israel, they wouldn't have been attacked" They literally were attacked without having taken any direct action against Israel. In fact, Iran has never taken action directly against Israel WITHOUT being attacked by Israel first.

@UNOwen29599192 @adamjohnsonCHI Qatar, as a state, was not attacked. Iran was. Are you seriously claiming Qatar does not and did not fund Hamas? So those 1.8 Billions and the monthly 30 million USD transferred to Hamas from Qatar are...?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI Setting aside that Israel did attack Qatar and kill Qatari officials, no, Qatar does not fund or train them. Yes, that is quite literally the justification Israel gave for attacking Iran repeatedly. What are you talking about? Oh now supply of arms is "direct responsibility"?

@UNOwen29599192 @adamjohnsonCHI So your whole position is "they lied on this, but didn't bother to lie on anything else"?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI No one. The IDF made it up, a lie to prop up their lie about the PLO being in the camp.

Yes. You finally get it. 1) Hamas is also funded and trained by Qatar. Do you see any Israelis attacking Qatari nationals or government/army officials. 2) did you see anyone attacking Iran for something that Hamas did? 3) when Iran was involved in direct action - espionage, killing and supply of arms - tgen they are targeted. You see - there's being responsible (Iran for supplying Hezballah & Hamas, Israel for the Lebanese forces) and there's actually commiting the action. The Israelo response on October 8th wasn't attacking Iran. Right? If Iran never had taken direct action against Israel, they wouldn't have been attacked. The same way that Saudi Arbia, Qatar, UAE were not. See? We finally agree on something.

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI Hell, by your logic Iran has not done anything against Israel until Israel attacked them. After all, they never pulled the trigger. Hezbollah did. So are they innocent?

@UNOwen29599192 @adamjohnsonCHI Again, on Wednesday, the 15th, rpg and small arms fire from the camps. Who was firing?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI No, they didn't suspect PLO activities. They knew there was no PLO in there. They surrounded the camp to ensure no civilians could flee, they armed the phalangists and sent them in to massacre civilians. Was Sinwar innocent of oct. 7th since he didnt pull the trigger?

@UNOwen29599192 @adamjohnsonCHI Weird, because the Lebanese forces entered the camps on the 16th. On the 15th there were reports of RPG and light gun fire against IDF and Lebanese forces position. Who was doing the firing?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI "The PLO withdrew then like Hamas withdraws now: By hiding within the population and sending the high ranking away. The no terrorist in the camps was an assessment. Not a known fact." No, they withdrew entirely. There was no PLO in the camp, that was a known fact.

Yeah, they were both very much alike. And you can look at the Kadima party and the group of right wing, children-of-Irgun leadership that followed Sharon into Kadima. Not only Olmert wasn't an exception, he was in a long line of politicians from Rabin on down to Sharon, Livni, Barak, Meridor- that thought there was a way to get an agreement with the Palestinians.

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI Do you seriously think Olmert and Sharon were in any way alike? Olmert was an exception, not just in Sharons party, but in Israels politics as a whole. That doesn't change that obviously Sharon, who himself committed mass murders even before sabra and shatila, didn't want peace.

They armed the Lebanese groups, because they were willing to fight a common enemy, way before the Sabra and Shatila event. They surrounded the camps because they suspected PLO activities from there. They shouldn't have. Given that their president-elect was just assassinated. That's true. But only one side pulled the trigger, and it wasn't the IDF. The same way you don't blame the US for arming the PA and killing hundreds of Hamas in the WB in Gaza.

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI No. What the McBride commission found is that the IDF bore responsibility, because they took the Phalangists, armed them, propagandised them, surrounded the camp for them and then sent them in to go on a murder spree. They didnt "not prevent" it. They made it happen.

1. The PLO withdrew then like Hamas withdraws now: By hiding within the population and sending the high ranking away. The no terrorist in the camps was an assessment. Not a known fact. 2. For the same reasons we ask the Lebanese army to handle Hizballah today - because we don't want to put our own in harm's way. And using locals to combat against locals is the SOP since WW2.

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI It doesn't assume that, it knows that, because the PLO had already withdrawn and Israels own assessment was that there were no "terrorists" in the camps anymore. Why do you think he sent in a couple dozen phalangists, notoriously terrible fighters, into the camps?

And that's why the party he started, and the second in command he appointed won an election immediately after the 2005 withdrawal after stating he will withdraw from the West Bank and make peace with Abbas, and gave Abbas the best offer the Palestinians got to date? You see how ridiculous your one sided position quote mining is?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI As for your misunderstand of the Gaza withdrawal, I will simply refer to what his advisor said. The goal of the withdrawal was to destroy the peace process and protect the settlements in the west bank. His hand was forced. haaretz.com/2004-10-06/ty-…

@UNOwen29599192 @adamjohnsonCHI Nope. You can have your own opinions on what Should have happened to Sharon, you can't have your own facts (what the committee found). That IDF bore responsibility because they were the big guys with big guns, not preventing the other guys with guns killing civiliians.

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI They found that the IDF was responsible for the massacre, that was a genocide. Or in simpler terms, that they committed the crime of genocide. Using proxies to do the killing doesn't make it not your crime. Sharon should still have been executed.

And this quote, like the one during the first days after October 7th, assumes he talked about Palestinian civilians and not the PLO, IPJ and the rest of armed groups in the Palestinians and Shii't camps. The same as after October 7th when Gallant said "we are fighting human animals" every Western Liberal assumed he means 3 years old Palestinians and not specifically Hamas.

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI It even gets clearer if you consider a quote of his: "So, we'll kill them. They will not be left there. You are not going to save them. You are not going to save these groups of the international terrorism.. . If you don't want the Lebanese to kill them, we will kill them."

So, again, you are misquoting. They found that IDF bore responsibility, not committed the atrocities. They found what the Lebanese had done was "a form of genocide" not genocide. In that regard - there is no difference between Kahn and McBride. So, from your perspective, Israel should have gathered all the Lebanese forces, arrested them, tried them for genocide, and killed them all. Not sharon - the Lebanese. That's.... An opinion. And again, not to confuse you with the facts - that racists right winger that should have been hanged gave the whole of Gaza Strip to the Palestinians you so boldly claim he wanted to genocide. Care to explain? Also - even if i give you Sharon. I never voted for him, because of his past - can you point to any one Palestinian that got the same scrutiny from the world or Palestinians for killing civilians? If Sharon should have been hanged for the actions he didn't prevent - what should we do with, for example, all the Hamas leadership and the PA leadership for the actions done by Hamas on October 7th? Or wasn't that a genocide, because "jews are white"?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI Hence why the McBride commission found him guilty of genocide. No matter how you slice it, the Israeli justice system should've prosecuted him, found him guilty of genocide, and executed him. Had they done so, they would've helped Israel avoid becoming so racist and far right.

so the Time Magazine ran with that accusation - that Sharon discussed with the family of the slain President of Lebanon, Bashir Gemayel, taking revenge on Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee quarters. They had to apologize, print a retraction, pay his lawyer fees. The best reading of the historical record is this: Sharon did not order anyone to kill civilians; Elie Hobeika did that, and Phalangist gunmen with their own motives and their own ideology did the killing. But Sharon chose to send into the camps a militia he knew to be steeped in hatred of Palestinians, at the peak of its rage over Bashir Gemayel's murder; he rejected American and cabinet warnings; he lied to the Americans about the presence of "2,000 terrorists"; and, on the most charitable reading, he then failed over roughly 40 hours to stop a massacre that reports flowing through IDF channels told him was underway. On a less charitable reading - supported by the 2012 Sharon-Draper transcript and the 2018 Kahan Appendix - he understood roughly what the Phalangists would do, welcomed their doing it to a population he viewed as "terrorists", and tolerated it until American pressure became unbearable. Even the worst reading of the facts, Sharon was not the one committing the genocide. He was the one not stopping it. Do you also want to talk about the fact that Sharon was the one to clear out Gaza from Jews for the PA?

@optionull @adamjohnsonCHI And again, there were no legal consequences. He wasn't arrested, he didn't go to jail, and he especially wasn't executed as he should've been under the Israeli laws mandatory death penalty for the crime of genocide. He was just allowed to continue untouched.

Words are hard. Apartheid = citizens of the same country have different rules against them based on immutable characteristics. Since Palestinians are not, not they want to be Israelis choose between the two: Are you saying that Palestinians are actually israeli citizens (thus saying there is no Palestinian authority in the West Bank or Gaza) and there is an Apartheid because Palestinians are Israeli citizens, and the PLA was never a rightful representative of them. Or are you saying that the demand of the PLO for a Palestinian state is wrong, and Palestinian should have demanded to be Israeli citizens? Choose one.

@optionull @havivrettiggur I know ppl In an apartheid state we're a kid gets 12 years in jail for throwing a rock at a tank, while a jew from brooklyn has more rights and can kill an entire family and get a free house out of it Its like being surprised by a slave revolt. What did you expect

I don’t downplay my American connection. I tell that story proudly. It’s just that I’m Israeli. Not sure why that fact bothers you so. And I don’t bash Americans as naive chumps. I have a lecture series that I give about the wisdom of American thought, about how lucky the world is to be living in a century shaped by that American wisdom. I only bash you and your friends as naive chumps. I bash a political movement that thinks that oppression only matters if its perpetrators can be coded as white or Western, that the plight of Iranian women isn’t interesting because the ayatollahs are anti-Western. Yeah, those people are the worst kind of privileged chumps. Hope that clarifies. Happy to elaborate.