Emite Rose

@DrShayPhD @Johzbohz I guess I should take it as a complement that you think so. But no I'm not.

@EmiteRose @Johzbohz You're using AI.

Calling any man the Vicar of Christ is blasphemy. God never appointed a substitute for Christ. When Jesus returned to heaven, He sent the Holy Spirit, not a pope.

I think you are getting hung up on the word "substitute" and applying it in a way that is not meant here. Let me ask you a question. If I hire a lawyer to represent them in a court of law, I am giving that lawyer authority to represent me, i.e. to be my substitute before the judge. Am I replaced? If the lawyer loses my case, is he or I liable? I get that the Old Testament is big, and there is a lot in there, but you find all throughout the OT where God is giving His Authority to someone else to represent Him, to be His substitute before the people. Moses was a vicar of God for the people of Israel. He is the one that God gave authority, so that he (Moses) can lead God's people. Did Moses replace God in this case? Did David replace God, when he became king over the house of Israel? Did Solomon? Or any of their descendants?

Okay.. Roman Catholic, nothing like Paul being vicar in the bible but just do whatever please you . Vicar is from the Latin word as Rome is Latin and the word is a substitute of Christ , Peter never substitute Christ but if you believe the pope is Christ substitute then is left for you.

Yeah from my research, it seems that there are major revisions done to the Roman rite, about every 500 years give or take. This makes sense because religious practice isn't static and especially before the printing press, there would be issues with manuscripts being corrupted, or a local practice added in as part of the liturgy.

@theoscholastica @EmiteRose “Organically developed” is a very subjective standard, never really consistently applied. You could argue the suppression of tropes and sequences after Trent was a tearing down of “organic developments” as well. Liturgy is sometimes changed top-down, always has been.

Fully Catholic yet contains Neo-Protestant language and influence.

@AestheticCorda @theoscholastica Are there? Then why aren't they using our rite then? There isn't a single Protestant liturgy that is comparable to the current Roman rite. So if it is so Protestant, one would assume that Protestants would be using a rite that was similar to ours, and yet there isn't.

@EmiteRose @theoscholastica There are serval protestant theologians that say otherwise.

@theoscholastica Again, you evidently aren't paying much attention while you are there.

@EmiteRose Yes, I grew up going and im sometimes still forced to against my will. The Sacrifice they mention is a reduced "sacrifice of praise", not a propitiatory sacrifice like the Council of Trent Mentions.

The vicar (or in Biblical terms head of the king's house) is an office in the Davidic Kingdom. I get that you guys may not understand the fact that Jesus Christ is a King in the line of David, and His Kingdom is a Davidic Kingdom. Question. Is Jesus Christ today physically sitting on His thrown here on earth; or is He now left to prepare a place for us in His heavenly Kingdom? Last I checked, Jesus ascended into heaven and left us a Church here on earth. A visible Church, that He has mandated to go throughout the world proclaiming His Gospel. That visible Church in the New Testament had "vicars" that we call the Apostles, and she had a chief "vicar' that was St. Peter. And yes these Apostles and especially St. Peter had the authority of Jesus Christ here on earth. This hasn't changed. Today those who have succeeded the Apostles still carry the authority of Christ, they are His vicars, until Jesus returns.

@EmiteRose @DrShayPhD Lol... That's the meaning of vicar ...

@theoscholastica No mention of it being a sacrifice? Have you ever been to a celebration of the current Roman rite?

@EmiteRose Reducing the Mass to a meal and no mention of a propitiatory Sacrifice, like what Luther did, isn't Protestant? sspx.org/en/news/new-ma…

@DrShayPhD @Johzbohz Again, only you are using the language of "substitute", "replace" and now "taking His place", not I. See previous post.

@EmiteRose @Johzbohz False. “He who hears you hears me” is about representing His message, not taking His place. There’s a big difference between speaking for Christ and standing in His place.

Perfect example of why there is so much lost in modern sects that don't have a great grasp on Scripture. Let me ask you a question? If one gives authority to speak for them, ie. preach, and forgive or retain sins, then does that not mean that one that is given that authority represents the one who has given that authority? Let it be known, that a) I'm not using the words "substitute" nor "replace" with are poor words to use. In the Davidic kingdom, the chief steward, head or vicar of the king's household, did not replace the king nor was he a substitute of that king, but rather he exercised the authority that was given to him by the king to deal with mundane matters while the king was sitting upon his throne. But when the king was away, the king gave his chief steward, head or vicar (whichever word you prefer) authority over his kingdom while he was away. This was represented as giving the keys to the kingdom, and with the language of what doors you open no one will shut, and whatever doors you close no one will open. Anyway, since the Kingdom of Christ is modeled after the Davidic Kingdom, Jesus knew that when He left to go and prepare a place for us in the kingdom of heaven, He left us vicars, steward or heads (whatever word you prefer) with the His authority to watch over His kingdom here on earth. In Christ's Church, the pope is head, vicar or steward over the whole Church through St. Peter, but bishops are vicars over their dioceses, pastors over their parishes, etc. I would assume you have a similar model in your sect as well. Do you not have a pastor or parish council that has authority over the church you attend?

@EmiteRose False. Those verses show authority to preach and forgive through Christ, not replace Him. None of them call anyone a “vicar” or put a man in Christ’s position.

@kethdarrell No one makes anyone do anything. This is something they came up with in the location. If you would ask the Church, the Church would not look upon this kindly.

So thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the Gospel of Grace. Catholics rage at “It is finished,” making their people do stupid stuff.

@FoundAMoron Okay put her in jail and go after the rest of Congress. Because she isn’t the only one.

Apparently Ilhan Omar and her husband (not the brother husband) are BOTH under investigation because neither one can seem to explain how they went from being broke, to being worth 30M+ in ONE year on Ilhan’s public servant salary and his failing ventures.

@Johzbohz @DrShayPhD Christ appointed vicars.

@EmiteRose @DrShayPhD So Christ appointed a substitute... Okay

@StandPoints_ @Pontifex Get behind me Satan!!!

This is the result of the ceremonial church — tradition‑driven church, calendar‑driven church, even pagan‑influenced church practices. They fixed dates like Christmas and Easter, and over time it turned Christianity into a seasonal celebration instead of a daily walk with God. Now the church is suffering for it, because people wait for events instead of living in relationship with Christ every day.

Christ is risen from the dead, and with him, we too rise to new life! This Easter proclamation embraces the mystery of our lives and the destiny of history, reaching us even in the depths of death. #Easter

So I’m responding to Kelly’s childish response before he/she blocked me, with one thing. At some point find a searchable Bible online and ask it to search for the word father. You will find that the Scripture writers, which I hope we both agree are inspired, use the term father quite often when not referring to God the Father. Are all these Scripture writers sinning Kelly? Or is it that you don’t understand what Jesus is saying here? I would go with the latter.

@DrShayPhD @kellymarierago Yeah, that is what all sects say.

The Bible has nothing flattering to say about the papal system. It does not present it as a champion of God’s work. It warns, it exposes, it calls people out of deception. You won’t find the word “Catholic” or “Papal Rome” in Scripture. That’s not how prophecy works. It gives descriptions, not labels. Daniel and Revelation were written long before that name existed. Besides, God still has sincere people in that system who have not seen the full truth yet, and will come out. But the system prophecy points to is obviously Papal Rome. Papal Rome is also the beast power (first beast, man of sin, son of perdition, the wh*re). Every identifying mark lines up. It is not just one, and not just two, all of them. Scripture says that the Papal Power receives its authority from Satan [Revelation 13:2]. History shows how it operated during the Dark Ages, control over conscience, persecution, forced religion. Rome has been quietly amassing power and control again. It is ruthless and that ruthless pattern will return again in full force. Papal Rome presents itself as holy. It looks sacred. It speaks like it represents God, however, it does not. It is a system built on authority that competes with God’s Word. Judgment is coming for Rome and everything built on deception will be destroyed. No exception. This is not about attacking people. It is about warning them. Come to Jesus. Know Him for yourself. Turn from anything that stands against His Word. Once you know the real Christ, you won’t stay in a system that tries to replace Him.

@anglochog What can we say? There are just as many idiots in our hierarchy as there is in yours. The only difference the Catholic Church doesn’t give them the authority to make these changes, no matter how much they want to.

Checking in on the Romanists...

@Taylor_A_Eaton Yeah, that doesn’t work.

The best way to refute Roman Catholicism? Just smile and continue to point them to the Bible (the actual authority, whether it’s recognized or not).

@kellymarierago @DrShayPhD No, we were taught DIRECTLY BY Jesus. That is the difference.

@EmiteRose @DrShayPhD Wow, you guys knew better than Jesus! Incredible