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@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren Also in general I don’t care if someone makes the odd AI meme, it’s people that make images that they claim to be art that pisses me off. You wouldn’t know art if it kicked you in the bollocks full force

Btw, please come at people this loudly when you've actually had the balls to post some of your own magnificent "well-studied" art on your own account. After so much puffing from you, I went to peruse. All you post are the same handful of lame react gifs, a couple of which are AI btw lmao and a bunch of retarded aggrieved commie screed. Oh right, and some unfinished looking napkin doodles done while waiting for the train I guess? Talk about anti-climactic. Gotta be honest, after such a lengthy and "cerebral" exchange, clicking the "Media" tab on your page was one of the most pathetically disappointing things I've ever experienced on this app. Begone. If you can resist the urge to reply again.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren Here’s a generality, you’ve got soft hands brother. Draw until your middle finger grows another knuckle then you can throw your hat in the ring with me about anything art

Still circular. You make a blanket statement judgement, than fail to back it up, or you reference only generalities. Why would anyone respect or give a shit about such a fangless argument? Also, if you really believe that last part, then what do you have to worry about? And why even spend time arguing with "AI bros" on twitter? Seems like a lot of fruitless time away from the sketchbook to me.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren I do not post art on Twitter and never will, nor will I ever show anyone who uses AI. I’d rather not have it stolen. Really picky these days because of you leeches

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren I’m not looking through your AI images in depth, they’re gross. Even the ones that have correct anatomy have nonsensical backgrounds. Your creativity is limited to the latest AI theft of art. My creativity is limited by my skills and work that no one can ever take away (:

@LikelyToRot07 @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren For time-efficiency. Getting pretty curcular.🔄 x.com/ClandestineMer…

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren Oh yeah my bad putting time into literally anything is too much for you. Shoulda known, that’s on me

@LikelyToRot07 @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren Why would I waste my time watching that lmao

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren There are people with no limbs that paint with their mouths. It must feel bad to be less productive than someone that literally doesn’t have hands. Couldn’t be me, take care buddy.

@LikelyToRot07 @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren I support expression being more accessible- pretentious guy who talks up a big bloviated argument, then doesn't deliver.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren

@LikelyToRot07 @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren Point to the theft. Which art specifically was stolen. Brother, is your PC hooked up to the water main for it's cooling system? You do know that the entire industry is clamoring to achieve fully closed-loop systems, right? They're really close even, from news just this past week.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren Yeah I get it, you’ll constantly steal people’s art and burn through the worlds water because you like to. Understood man. Thanks for supporting the scalping of art and computer parts 😭

Couldn't bother to actually find more examples I guess. One as...astute as yourself should easily be able to scan over my oeuvre in a split second and find the weakest pieces to fashion your argument out of. Kind of weak to assert some big bad categorical judgement laced with personal insults and allusions to a multitude of examples, but then only offer 1 example. Makes for a weak, hollow argument- not that this is even really an argument. This is an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. This is a forced administration of Copium. There's no insult you guys can levy, no labels you can use or not use, no arguments you can make- no vitriol you can spew, that will stop the generating by we who simply enjoy doing it.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren I’m not going to go through each of your gens. I just picked the one you recently posted the most. You cannot make better end results without AI being taught off of more stolen art. That’s how this works. It also isn’t work, stop calling it that

I mean, I probably won't, because I'm not really angling for an anatomy textbook feature. I'm just dicking around putting characters and concepts I like together and seeing what looks cool or hot. I certainly could though if I want something more realistic and accurate, versus the more abstract archetype-focused approach I've played with so far. Sure, that'd increase the perceived quality of my work, especially with one as discerning as yourself. These are all things I'm slowly incorporating, to make better end results. BTW, earlier you said "most" of the anatomy was wrong, but you only tried dissecting one example? As useful as that was, "most" would imply a ton of examples. I post a lot of images. Please go cherry-pick the next worst one, if you don't mind.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren “All I want are end results without doing any of the work, I’d rather use a program that steals from others without their consent.” Definition of entitlement buddy.

At what point does "mashing a keyboard" actually materially diverge from "strumming the strings" or "scribbling the strokes"..? When do all the individual components become the actual "art?" You tout the process, as if the end result barely even matters. I- and many others simply assert that for some art, the end result is the most visible, and therefore most important part. For an alleged artist, you're surprisingly averse to the simple concept of subjective value.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren And then tell me how you know it’s correct or not without studying anatomy

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren You tell me in all your wisdom how you’re going to make AI make sure that the deltoid connects to the chest and that the elbows aren’t in the wrong place and that the spine isn’t in the gut. You could do that with your own hands and brain if you learned, but I wanna hear it

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren @Gryphonknightt Directors direct actual talent and work, they don’t type into a computer to write that script for them, they do that themselves with feedback from other professionals. Understand?

I just learned that directors, writers, conductors- all potentially not real artists... Rough news to take in. Who will give them "@LikelyToRot07's" memo, I wonder?

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren He’d also likely be a stickler to any idea of composure that isn’t from instruments. However, soundboards still take a deep understanding of what sounds work together and what don’t. It’s still a study that takes a lot of skill and practise and I’m sure he’d recognise that

It is the longest standing trait- which is exactly why humans, no matter what age they live in, will always flock to express themselves in whatever novels means are available. Do you think Mozart would be fascinated, or horrified to see a modern producer with his knobs and panels and his DAWs, and potentially not even a single real instrument of music sheet in sight? Times change, tools change, accessibility trends up over time as technology advances. People said the same thing you're saying, about drum machines in the 80's and 90's. Portrait artists and painters said the same thing about cameras in the 1850's. New options get added to processes over time. "Progress" wins. We all simply have to adjust. Besides, even if you were right- and AI did completely bust, that wouldn't undo or devalue any of the stuff people have already made with it. People are still being moved by, entertained by, and captivated by AI art TODAY. They already value it right now. That matters more than what any uncertain future may hold.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren @Gryphonknightt You just keep typing until you get what you want without an actual clue on what is wrong. You spit ball until you get something you see as acceptable despite it still being completely wrong showing your eye is completely dead to art. If you drew as much as you generated, u’d know

@LikelyToRot07 @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren @Gryphonknightt Yeah man you clearly have zero understanding about how AI gen and prompting actually work.

@ClandestineMerk @kezottle @seelittlekoi @MeatyLlamaStick @ajarakamokkuren @Gryphonknightt You aren’t training your hands to understand art, you aren’t training your eyes to understand art, you’re leaving all of that to a machine. That isn’t art, that is a commission for a product. Again, entitlement to others years of work because you can’t be bothered to learn

That you think none of these steps or components are involved in a creative process utilizing AI, is testament to- frankly, how ignorant you are about the actual services and systems themselves, and how people use them. You guys really think we just type in stuff like "cute anime girl" and "sad rap song" huh? lmao Further, many still post-process whatever they generate into something else. It Editing itself not considered an art..? Is remixing still art? Parodying? It's all just so pretentious and self-aggrandized.