Bruno J. Escobedo

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Bruno J. Escobedo

@escobedev

Hello! I'm Bruno Escobedo, a passionate human with interests in software development, cybersecurity, physics, mathematics, psychology, philosophy and politics.

参加日 Haziran 2024

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·41m

@theramblingfool People don’t just choose, we frame the situation first. Emotions like fear, trust, and empathy shape that framing, and once we commit, we build arguments that reinforce our choice and make the others look bad. The game has no context so we give it one. And that, many don’t get.

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Russell@theramblingfool·4h

Every Pro-red argument: (1) Cynicism: "It's impossible for blue to win. Don't be suicidal." (2) Narcissism: "There is no downside to pressing red." (3) Changing the hypo: "Babies don't count. That'd be stupid! So there's a blender..." (4) Psychopathy: "Blue pressers deserve to die." (5) General poor analytic reasoning: "If everyone just pressed red!"

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·50m

@LicenseProApp @currydtx The disagreement isn’t about intelligence, it’s about framing and priorities. People interpret the same situation through different lenses, and then build arguments that make their choice feel like the only reasonable one. So stop trying to insult the other team. It’s just a game

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·52m

@LicenseProApp @currydtx Emotions like fear, trust, and empathy shape that framing, and once someone commits, they build arguments that reinforce their choice and make the other side look worse. You have your own (Russian roulette, the electrician one) I have my own (extremist candidates on elections).

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curry@currydtx·1d

Blue is 100% the right choice. There is no reality where all 8 billion people pick red so you have to pick blue to prevent millions from dying.

MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·7h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx Saying “are you mental” doesn’t make it more logical. It just means you think protecting your own circle is the only valid priority. Not everyone agrees with that. This is basically: protect my family at all costs vs avoid harm to all families if possible. Both are understandable

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License Pro@LicenseProApp·8h

@escobedev @currydtx Even more of a reason not to risk blue, choose red for your kids are you mental

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx But that doesn’t only apply to you, everyone else in that scenario can also have families depending on them. So it doesn’t resolve the dilemma, it just amplifies both sides. Now it’s not just “me vs others,” it’s “my family vs other families.” 👏

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License Pro@LicenseProApp·9h

@escobedev @currydtx You assume self preservation doesnt impact others. When you have a family and they depend on you then you'll realize how crazy of an idea it is to seperate yourself from others like they are disconnected when they are not.

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@tonkertom If blue is “virtue signaling,” then red is “fear signaling.” Both have emotional drivers, the difference is what you prioritize. So the dilemma stays the same, virtue vs fear even if both are fakers.

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thomas@tonkertom·1d

just press red and live? every person saying blue is just virtue signalling in a real world scenario much more than 50% are picking red

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx By your own definition, “good judgment” depends on the objective you’re optimizing for. If the goal is only self preservation -> red fits. If the goal includes others -> blue can fit. So calling one side “objectively stupid” skips that step entirely. You’re just biased!

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License Pro@LicenseProApp·9h

It appears the problem is you dont operate with objective reality and are drifting into subjective reality which is delusional and circular. I am defining stupid as anyone that objectively qualifies by the definition of the word stupid. "someone or something lacking intelligence, common sense, or good judgment. It refers to being slow to learn, foolish, or acting in a careless, unreasonable manner" its not a disagrees with me it's a person exhibiting the traits of stupidity is stupid. You view someone as stupid as being a subjective judgement not an objective fact for whatever reason

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx So it’s not “turn off power vs touch a wire.” It’s “assume everyone flips the switch vs act in a way that allows a no death outcome if enough people cooperate.” That you can’t comprehend this goal it’s your own problem. Blues have no trouble comprehending red basic mentality

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License Pro@LicenseProApp·9h

Any goal which takes on needless risk is stupid. For example if an electrician had the option to either turn the power off or risk touching a live wire and he could live if he touched enough people would, it would be idiotic to not turn the power off. Its not virtuous to expect a bunch of people to touch him and spread the electricity around when the smart choice is just turn the fucking power off and dont put others in danger.

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx Your electrician example assumes one person can guarantee a safe outcome by flipping a switch. In this dilemma, no single person can guarantee that outcome because others are making independent choices.

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx If anything, your point reinforces mine: people go toward red because of fear. It’s an emotional response, not intelligence.

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License Pro@LicenseProApp·9h

Its a lot more realistic then playing Russian roulette with 51%. No one will ever know the vote and these results show what a 5% margin of success for blue with zero stakes besides online clout and virtue signaling. If there was blood in the streets thats a lot of risk for no reason and people would say they choose blue but choose the obvious red in much higher numbers.

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx Even under your framing, the risk only exists if enough people go red. So saying “it’s their fault” ignores that the outcome depends on everyone’s choices, not just theirs. Calling it “suicidal” doesn’t make it irrational it just shows you don’t accept any goal beyond risk-free.

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License Pro@LicenseProApp·9h

@escobedev @currydtx If they are not suicidal they will choose red. If they are suicidal and choose blue and desire to be contrarian then thats the risk they choose. If they die thats their fault for being reckless and assuming we'll some idiot will choose blue and today that idiot is me.

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·9h

@LicenseProApp @currydtx You just want to force everyone into 1 unique posible escenario which is more idiotic. You’re going to convince no one that red would ever get a chance of 100% voters.

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License Pro@LicenseProApp·10h

@escobedev @currydtx Literally if everyone does it everyone avoids the risk. Its nonsensical to assume we'll some idiot will press blue instead of the no risk option therefore I will be that idiot that is contrarian and play Russian roulette

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·10h

@FirstofLeo @Nickname_BT If it’s down to insults, I’ll take that as you not having an argument left. Inmature play only remarks how underdeveloped your prefrontal cortex is.

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Pepintor@FirstofLeo·10h

@escobedev @Nickname_BT I think you might actually be touched in the head

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Nickname@Nickname_BT·1d

i cant imagine a world where >50% of people would actually choose blue without coordination when their individual life is on the verge

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Bruno J. Escobedo@escobedev·11h

@FirstofLeo @Nickname_BT And I’m not arguing against a position you didn’t hold you’re the one insisting against the blues, which only works if you assume red goal is the only valid one. If your point is just that you’d choose red, that’s fine. I’m just desagreeing on your current view of blues.

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Pepintor@FirstofLeo·13h

@escobedev @Nickname_BT you are arguing against positions i never claimed to hold. And you were the one that said reds were incapable of empathy. I think im wasting my time

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