@duncan_udaho @DPearsonPHL @mattyglesias Eh, they were clearly enriching Uranium past what is required for anything other than a bomb.
Still a stupid war tho.
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James M Miller
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@DPearsonPHL @mattyglesias The truth. That this war was immoral, the “nuke” excuse is a BS lie that people don’t actually care about, & that this is another mess that Israel and our psychotic, Zionist, imperialist government dragged the world into for the military industrial complex & natural resources.
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No Democrats are running “to the right of Trump” on Iran.
But pointing out that he is settling the war on objectively terrible terms rather than just praising him for ending it is important to the politics of deterring future absurd wars.
Nathan J Robinson@NathanJRobinson
I am absolutely begging Democrats not to run to the right of Trump on Iran
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@ShinMarvelous @Todd_Toddleston @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias They tried these tactics with Kamala and we got Trump.
But, since all they care about is grabbing power for the left...
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@Todd_Toddleston @JamesMMiller2 @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias We literally gotten these same deal under Obama for less. That the fucking point.
We are not going to praised trump for starting a retarded war that make us worse off.
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@Todd_Toddleston @ShinMarvelous @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias Unless it passes with Republican votes.
And you agreed with me that what matters is that it passes.
So why are you still arguing?
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@Todd_Toddleston @ShinMarvelous @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias Did you know that 300 billion is more than Iran's entire gdp? 🤣
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@ShinMarvelous @JamesMMiller2 @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias Iran was more willing to play ball before the US assassinated its entire leadership and bombed a elementary school. Times change.
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@Todd_Toddleston Then what do we arguing about.
There's obviously therefore nothing wrong with it passing with Republican votes.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
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@JamesMMiller2 I thought that was obvious when I said "I hope every Republican and Democrat votes for the MOU that ends the war".
But yeah of course, I would support it ending with basically any MOU. 300B, 500B, 1 trillion, who cares.
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@Todd_Toddleston Uhhh no you idiot. The election isn't until November 🤣🤣🤣
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@JamesMMiller2 If Dems want the war to continue and they win the election, then the WAR DOESN'T END you moron
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@Todd_Toddleston Okay then say that you'll be happy no matter how the war ends as long as it does.
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@Todd_Toddleston See? Lmao!!!
You'll only accept an end to the war that hurts Democrats.
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@Todd_Toddleston I don't think it would be bad for the war to end without hurting the Democrats.
You don't want the war to end unless it does.
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@JamesMMiller2 In November, Dems may run to Trump's right on this, and they may win. They might gain a majority in congress by promising to continue the Iran War.
What Nathan and me are saying is that this would be a Bad Thing. If you don't think its bad, at least own up to it.
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@Todd_Toddleston Except we agreed it could end with Republican votes.
But you are against that.
Why are you against ending the war?
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@JamesMMiller2 You can just say that you think electing Dems is more important than being against the Iran War. No one is stopping you. It's not an illegal thing to say.
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@Todd_Toddleston Except we agreed it could pass with Republican votes.
So stop pretending like you want to end the war.
Why do you keep lying?
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@JamesMMiller2 As someone whose top priority is ending the war in Iran, the party that also wants to end the war becomes better than the one that doesn't. The label you choose to give these parties ("fascist", "not fascist") isn't that interesting to me.
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@Todd_Toddleston You think allowing a bill to pass with Republican votes is worse than fascism?
Omg, you are human trash...
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@JamesMMiller2 You want Dems to vote to continue the war, and be electorally rewarded for it.
If Republicans are fascists, what do you call a party that becomes worse?
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@Todd_Toddleston It appears that you are trying to protect the party that started this war from the consequences of it's own actions.
It's dangerous to support fascists.
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@JamesMMiller2 Because I want a party that supports good things, not bad things? Because when that party is in power, I want them to do good things? Because messaging matters?
101 stuff here that you would understand in any other context
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@Todd_Toddleston @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias Yes, I think Trump would never just leave as it would be too obvious that we lost a war.
Your position is that Trump is good at what he does.
There is no evidence for that. It is a brainless thing to say.
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@JamesMMiller2 @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias Very funny that “Trump accidentally gave away 300 billion dollars for no reason” is the position you’ve landed on, as if the entire month of back and forth negotiations with Iran just didn’t happen
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@Todd_Toddleston Why would you care how it passed as long as it does?
Oh, that's right, what you actually care about is hurting the Democratic party.
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@JamesMMiller2 Of course I want all Republicans to vote for it. I want all Democrats to vote for it too.
Asking again what it is I supposedly lied about?
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@Todd_Toddleston @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias A ceasefire isn't anything like peace.
Are you stupid or something?
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@JamesMMiller2 @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias If “we’ll stop blockading you if you stop blockading us” was all it would take, then the agreement would say that instead of what it does. Do you really not understand
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@Todd_Toddleston @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias If you think Trump is competent it is because you are MAGA.
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@Todd_Toddleston @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias Apparently you think fascists are competent.
I'm not sure how to argue you out of that.
I guess you are free to support them in America.
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@JamesMMiller2 @Chan_man0 @mattyglesias It’s kinda nuts that you think Trump just slipped the 300B in as a bonus gift. As if “what if we just did the same agreement minus it” never crossed his mind
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