Noam
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I was unaware that the IDF had a goon squad.
Jvnior@Jvnior
Israeli soldier j*rking off to Gaza sights This is a real photo uploaded by the IDF.
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That the rhetoric in the new testament between Pharisees and Jesus is standard dispute between 2 jewish sects getting heated and nasty. Not to be taken at face value.
These arguments ending up in hands of gentile followers of Jesus was catastrophic, leading them to hatred of jews
Matthew Feinberg@thewebbie
What is one Jewish fact you wish every non-Jew understood?
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@Searcherseek Says the Jew
Stop pushing evil on western nations. Crawl back into a sewer
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@Searcherseek Or you can just admit the Pharisees and Talmudic Jews are pure evil and likely ruled by Satan
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@oteycoueye @QuantPunch This is ultimately why Pharisees won. Because they built an infrastructure that could unify Jews once it became obvious that revolution and apocalypse ain't happening anytime soon.
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@Searcherseek @QuantPunch At the end of the day, you can have your own ideas about the timeline and cosmology, but you're either kosher or not. Like Chabad and Modern Orthodox have huge differences but are mutually compatible in kashrut (more or less,) marriage, divorce, minyanim, etc.
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And, this is my issue with apologetics. Regardless of whether the apologetics works in a particular instance.
Because what if it does fail? Now what? Your whole faith is out the window? That's a really hazardous structural weakness that has to be fixed amd not patched over.
Noam@Searcherseek
The Jews weren't religious because the Bible was written. The Bible was written because the Jews were religious. A faith that is entirely dependent on a book will naturally be shaky and unstable.
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@oteycoueye @QuantPunch But then probably also apocalypticists, which Jesus was. Zealots. And John the Baptist seemed like a more prophetic revival movement. The question being what's the future of Judaism? Institution, or an imminent revolution or apocalypse.
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@Searcherseek @QuantPunch It wasn't that fragmented. Two main factions: the Orthodox and the wealthy aristocrat Reformists.
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@oteycoueye @QuantPunch I tend to think of that period of second temple Judaism like the American south. Every yokel opening up his own charismatic church, until that Pharisees won conclusively.
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@oteycoueye @QuantPunch I think to understand Jesus we need to understand figures like John the Baptist. Josephus talks a little bit about him. It seems that Jesus drew him main influence for him.
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@QuantPunch @kan_immanuel The other gospel versions of the story dont add this. They keep it solely to the topic of hand washing.
It kind of doesn't even make sense in the context. Where jesus admonished them for putting tradition over god's law and then immediately abolishes a biblical law.
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@QuantPunch @kan_immanuel I believe in the Mark version of the story about the argument of washing hands, Jesus says, its nkt what goes in the mouth that matters, but what comes out. It adds in parentheses (and thus he made all food clean). I think this is added commentary, and interpretation.
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@kan_immanuel @QuantPunch In the synoptic gospels, his ontological nature is not as important as important as his teachings.
In John it starts to give more importance to spiritual transformation i.e. being born again. And made possible through Jesus' ontological status as the word incarnate.
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@kan_immanuel @QuantPunch That depends whether you think Jesus as God is the historical Jesus. In the synoptic gospels, it focuses more on Jesus as a teacher, ethical reformer, and healer. He also identifies as the son of man, which does raise his status above man.
In John you start to get Jesus as God.
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@QuantPunch The thing is you first hear this anti Pharisee rhetoric from John the Baptist. So what jesus was doing in arguing with the Pharisees was probably not something unprecedented.
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@QuantPunch In many ways, I find the prophets often even more radical.
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