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@corakow05 Depends. Are they ow only content creators? Still possible but more likely to be aware. Not ow only? High chance it applies

@SpyronimoL yeah that applies to casual players, but not content creators

So many big OW content creators misgender Venture. It's sad.

@corakow05 I was around at that time and i can definitely see how you could miss that if you dont care about the character lore. Most only look up abilities and dont watch reveal trailers or anything like that

@SpyronimoL If you were around when they came out and you actively make content about the game, you know that Venture is non binary there’s just no way you conveniently missed that bro

@corakow05 Not ignorance but realism. While i wish it would be the case almost noone, even tolerant people pay attention to that. Defaultism will always strike first. Im not defending people that obviously purposefully use wrong pronouns. Most just never payed enough attention

@SpyronimoL Ignorance at its finest

@corakow05 You really dont nah

@SpyronimoL If you stream the game and/or engage with it on social media, you know that Venture is non binary. If you don’t I don’t believe you

@corakow05 Not really. Most only care about the competetive aspect of the game not the lore or character bios

@SpyronimoL But theyre talking about content creators. They or all people should know

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@SpyronimoL Valeria is not a woman

@v4mparxie By all means i dont think most do it on purpose and thats the thing. Villifying someone and prejudging them without knowing them in the case of venture is counterproductive to the cause

@SpyronimoL Awareness isn’t defending people who misgender venture on purpose

@v4mparxie Im pretty sure op did not talk about the latter but at this point its just guesswork

@SpyronimoL There’s a difference between people who accidentally say she casually and people who are making fun of them FOR being non binary or pointing out that they look and sound and act or whatever like a woman

@v4mparxie Yeah im more for spreading awareness than spreading hate but you do you

@SpyronimoL Listen man, it sounds like you feel just personally attacked because you’ve accidentally slipped up and said she but people like you are not who we are talking about, and you shouldn’t defend the people who aren’t like you and instead just joke and spread hate and extend the-

@v4mparxie But it would be enough for you to paint me as your "enemy" because kf those slip ups that happen in the middle of a fight when everyone is on edge? Thats how you artificially grow your number of "enemies"

@v4mparxie That's exactly what i mean. You jump to conclussions and judge people by a singular thing. Im very left wing and "woke" and still sometimes say mcree instead of cassidy because im still used to it after thousands of hours in ow1. Not because of hate but simply by accident

@fenbyrat My standpoint was more from a general perspective. if someone knows and purposefully uses the wrong pronouns and its not just a slip up then yeah thats not cool. my point was more that, especially with venture, slip ups or genuinely not knowing doesnt mean someone is a bigot

@SpyronimoL these big content creators are told CONSTANTLY that they're misgendering them there is no way they do not know

@ballt1ckler Not everyone does it purposefully and with bad intent. To think everyone would is neither grounded in reality, nor good for your mental health

@ballt1ckler No, not everyone is like that, in the case of venture MANY genuinely just dont know and dont care and default to what kind of voice they hear. You make enemies out of people without knowing them that would maybe even be allies

@scenebandit Yep someone already mentioned that and i apologized. Genuinely didnt know

@SpyronimoL ventures va is non binary im p sure

@illnessmento Yeah thats just not the case. In your bubble maybe but other than that no

@SpyronimoL overwatch is so popular because of its characters and lore, all people really talk about is the lore the gameplay comes and goes

@spacechannelgal Idk i dont see it plastered anywhere. Calling someone they is not limited to nonbinary people and quickly overlooked. Like i said interactions are mostly ignored because competetive people in a competetive game spent their thoughts on different things like tactics and team comp

@SpyronimoL And even then, Venture was marketed as Overwatch’s first Non-binary character before release. If people do it by accident its fine but really the only people who shouldnt know at first are new-comers. Their identity is plastered everywhere

@ilysoli Im not saying they didnt. But its no coincidence almost everyone that doesnt know their nonbinary calls them female. While they tried their best with making them look and sound androgynous they still lean more into female voice and looks

@SpyronimoL opposite for me. most people i know can tell they did an amazing job acting a gender ambigous voice.

@spacechannelgal Of course there is a sibset of people interested in the lore and bios of characters but most play the game just for the gameplay and couldnt care less about the interactions, the lore or their bios. Its a highly competetive game after all

@SpyronimoL Lots of people listen to in-game interactions? There’s whole videos about it and they wouldn’t keep adding them into the game if “barely anyone listens”. And even if that’s true, Venture also has a non-binary skin and Overwatch’s posts on social media do bring up their identity.

@ilysoli Me and pretty much everyone i know and almost everyone i ever saw talking about it sees their voice and looks as more female. Its the reason most if not all default to female when not knowing any better

@SpyronimoL actually while ventures VA is female yes, their voice is extremely androgynous, i genuinely cannot tell what ventures birth assigned sex is based on appearance or voice