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@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie I wonder why you blocked me.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie You again concede that Myron prescribes Zina. You again do not see how that ruined your own argument. Myron shouldn't be prescribing Zina in the first place is what I am saying. There should be zero prescription of it at all to anyone as that contradicts his faith. Do you get it

The young man is absolutely right, Myton took an L here. & notice how men with values who respect women are never ugleee

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie That is descriptive, not prescriptive. Myron isn't just saying: "X is bad and should not be done, but would achieve Y" (descriptive) He is saying: "X is bad and should not be done, but should be done" (prescriptive) We can drop this segment 'cause it's circling. You blocked me

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie It's a contradiction one way or another. Prescribing X is saying you should do X. Islam forbids X. Myron claims to be Muslim. Muslims believe X must be forbidden. Myron prescribes X. So he believes X shouldn't be done but also believes it should be done. Not just descriptive.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie If Myron told many religious apologists to not follow his prescriptions, does that not mean that he is prescribing to others what his very own faith very explicitly says not only to not do, but to not prescribe? It's beyond descriptive, he is making prescriptive claims.

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie It’s only a formal logical contradiction if he says Zina is not bad and you should do it if you’re simply a good practicing Muslim, while saying that he is a good practicing Muslim as well. Also on his show he has told many religious apologist to not follow his prescriptions-

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Assuming this is true, that does not affect or negate my argument. Myron still prescribes Zina while claiming to be Muslim. Him advising a superchatter to confide in a sheikh doesn't alter his own actions. As a Muslim, he himself must follow the book, too. He isn't excluded.

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Also when a seemingly devout Muslim guy superchatted on his stream and asked him about his prescriptions, he recommended him to ask a sheikh or scholar for their prescriptions if he’s trying to follow the book. So you don’t know what you’re talking about.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Then I am not wrong based off what you said. You agree Myron prescribes Zina. He *PRESCRIBES* it. *Pre*-scribes. He says men *SHOULD*... key word: *SHOULD* sleep around. Whether he prescribes it to secular or religious, that contradicts his own faith.

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Wrong, he states the “goal” is to mitigate women “leveraging sex as a tool for compliance” & others reasons is through experience having an abundance mindset & sex not being a novelty. Which is descriptively true too.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie The logical contradiction is the "should" claims. Myron is essentially: "You should commit Zina and you should not commit Zina". He is doing both. That is contradictory. Call it a moral contradiction if you don't want to call it a logical one even though I believe it's both.

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie I broke it to u in many ways. discourage zina ofc. Theres no logical contradiction. He’s not claiming: “zina is both forbidden& permissible at the same time in the same respect.” He said its forbidden & only help reach X goal Logical contradiction? no. Moral inconsistency? yes

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Am I debating you or AI? You know what, just for the sake of argument, let me grant that there is zero contradiction (even though I still strongly believe there is). Myron prescribes Zina. He is also Muslim. *Should* he prescribe Zina or should he preach *against* it?

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@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie I am not enthused to go through another wall of AI text, but I read it anyway. The AI ignores that Myron prescribes Zina. Not just "If your goal is X". Myron, on his podcast, has explicitly said he "BELIEVES" men should sleep around and have multiple women.

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@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Myron is prescribing Zina. Do you agree or disagree? Myron, knowing Zina is forbidden by his own faith, says men *SHOULD*... key word: *SHOULD* do the thing his faith forbids. Do you agree or disagree? Myron claims to be a "bad" Muslim, which is still a Muslim. Yes?

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie This is untrue and based on a false premise. The speaker isn't saying A and not A ." They are saying: " A is required by my religion, but B is required by your goal." These are two different "shoulds" from two different systems. Choosing a goal over a religious rule is a-

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Answer the line of questioning.

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie These line of questioning reinforce that the situation is a moral conflict or a sin, but they do not turn the Myron’s statement into a logical contradiction.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Yes, it is a contradiction within the container. A = Thing You Should Do A = A and not A is a contradiction. "You should do what you should do but also not what you should do" Here's an AI Overview since you are interested in AI.

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Even within a moral container, this is still not a formal contradiction, but rather a moral inconsistency or a value conflict. statement only becomes a contradiction if it claims two opposites are true at once (e.g., "This prescription is both Muslim-compliant and not-

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie 1. Is a bad Muslim still a Muslim? 2. Is Zina a sin? 3. Is prescribing Zina a sin? 4. Is prescribing a sin a sin? 5. Does it contradict Islam to prescribe Zina? 6. Does Myron believe Zina should be prescribed? 7. Does Myron prescribe Zina?

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie 1. He prefaces he’s a bad Muslim. 2. If you follow X prescription it will mitigate other horrendous issues down the line and help you reach X goal but is against the Muslim ethical purview. Not a logical contradiction bud.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Within the container of morality, there is a logical contradiction. "I believe men should do X and shouldn't do X." Regardless, we can drop this religious side if it's not convincing enough. Like I said, Myron holds two contradicting standards. Do you remember them?

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie It’s not a contradiction. It’s a moral inconsistency, but not a logical contradiction when he simply admitted that his actions don't align with his faith’s rules & if you follow X prescription is not aligned w the rules, which is a coherent (though conflicted) statement.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Again, your AI is incorrect. It's a logical conflict. Myron is Muslim. He prescribes Zina. Zina is strictly forbidden. Myron knows it's forbidden yet still prescribes it and claims to be a Muslim. "You should do what you shouldn't do". Is that a contradiction? In your own words

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@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie 100% correct, I never disagreed that is also a contradiction. What you are missing is that there can be more than one way to contradict yourself. Myron prescribes what his religion forbids. "You should do what you shouldn't do". Is that a contradiction or not?

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie A logical contradiction would only occur if the person said:”This prescription is 100% compliant with Muslim ethics, but also, it is completely against Muslim ethics." Because they chose a side ("it's against the ethics"),the logic remains intact, even if the behavior is seen as-

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie It does not matter if he says it is wrong from the religious purview. He still prescribes it. He says men *SHOULD* do it. "Men should do X. X is strictly forbidden in my religion, just a heads up. Still, men should do the thing that is forbidden in my religion, even me."

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie I’m talking about the statement. The statement itself is not a contradiction. Because he explicitly states that doing X thing is wrong from the religious purview, but still helps the X goal you’re after.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie I am telling you, it is a contradiction, but even if we agree to disagree here, I can still argue absent religion. "My faith says men shouldn't do X. I believe in my faith. Men should do X". Either Myron is a Muslim or not a Muslim, not just "bad" or "good".

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie It would only be a contradiction if he stated that doing X thing that’s is not wrong in his ethical purview & saying that it was actually permitted and that he’s a good Muslim following the book.

@David5913834377 @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie No, Myron is saying men *SHOULD* sleep around with multiple women to gain experience. Even if Myron says, "If you are a good Muslim, you should not do Zina, but if you are bad, you should". That still contradicts his faith because, again, even encouraging sin is a sin.

@TwoEmptyMinds @Jonatha51816422 @The_Only_Barbie Myron is not prescribing it as you should do X thing if you’re a good Muslim. He specifically states if you do X thing, just know it’s against ethical purview but it helps X goal that you’re after. Therefore it’s not a contradiction. Please learn laws of Contradiction/Non-Con