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@maklelan Yeah, the guy who claimed to have made it said he painted it. Scientific analysis done on the shroud showed it was not painted. And to this day can't be recreated. The guy clearly lied. Also you're ignoring all the evidence that shows it could be from the 1st century..

The Shroud of Turin is clearly––for many different reasons––a medieval forgery & the first ecclesiastical authorities who dealt with it in the 14th century even said they found the guy who did it & he admitted to it.

"The closer one approaches to God, the simpler one becomes." - St. Teresa of Avila

@Templarpilled How the Christians he persecuted really looked like;

@BibleInContext1 Agree, we should pray for the salvation of the Jewish people...by them joining the new covenant that Christ made. Paul wanted them to become Christian. But they reject the messiah. They are now no different than pagans, Hindu's, Atheists ect. Pray for them, but they arn't special

Christians should pray for the salvation of the Jewish people! If the apostle Paul, who is an example of a New Testament saint, prayed for Israel then so shall we continue to do so today! “Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.” (Romans 10:1) This is not just Paul’s words, but the word of God! Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: “May they prosper who love you. (Psalm 122:6)

@Orthodavec @ATradCatholic How I've always felt;

@ATradCatholic We have our disagreements and they aren’t meaningless, but I always side with my Catholic brothers and sisters.

They’re coming for all apostolic Christianity. East and West must stand together.

@pureMetatron "Looksmaxxing" is actually super feminine. We had another word for it back in the day..

There is nothing masculine about caring so much about your "perfect look". This is vanity, which isn't a masculine trait.

@hdpayens Brother, if you ever wrote a book. I would genuinely buy it.

Protestants say asking saints to pray for us is "talking to the dead." Scripture says something very different. Revelation 5:8: "The twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." Read that carefully. The saints in heaven are actively presenting prayers before God. They are not sleeping. They are not unconscious. They are participating in the heavenly liturgy right now. This is not necromancy. Necromancy is conjuring the dead for hidden knowledge, condemned in Deuteronomy 18:10-12. Asking a saint to pray for you is no different than asking your pastor to pray for you. The only question is whether the saints in heaven are alive and aware. Christ answered that directly. "He is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him." (Luke 20:38) The early Church understood this. Origen wrote around 233 AD that the saints in heaven intercede for us, calling them "allies in prayer" who stand before God on our behalf. If you ask a friend at church to pray for you, nobody calls it necromancy. But when Catholics ask someone in the direct presence of the Lamb to pray for them, suddenly it becomes forbidden? The real question is this: why would you limit your prayer partners to only those on earth, when Revelation shows the saints in heaven already doing it? Follow for daily apologetics that go straight to the text.

@Cinaboncrusader Can't decide between the two..

Who is your favorite saint? Mine is St Bernadette.

@ATradCatholic @Sola_Requiem You are correct. My wording was poor describing his 'emptying'. I jumped the gun and was really talking about the veiling of his divinity. Not a loss of it.

@Zenith481 @Sola_Requiem Closer, but it’s better to say Christ didn’t limit His divinity. The Son assumed a real human nature and freely lived according to it. The ‘emptying’ in Philippians is taking the form of a servant, not restricting the divine nature.

What does it mean when Christ “emptied himself” in Philippians 2:7?

@ATradCatholic @Sola_Requiem Relinquished was the wrong word to use. But no, I wasn't inferring that he lost any of his divinity. Christ is 100% divine and 100% human. He basically set limits to himself within his own structure to assume human nature. Or is my take too Orthodox?

@Zenith481 @Sola_Requiem Kenosis doesn’t mean Christ stopped possessing divine prerogatives. The verse defines the ‘emptying’ as taking the form of a servant. He didn’t lose anything of His divinity; He humbled Himself by assuming human nature.

@BibleInContext1 I wasn't aware protestant's considered Muslim's Christian. Also, murder is an odd word to use since it was them killing, raping, and enslaving us first for literally hundreds of years before we finally fought back in defense...

Are you proud of the thousands of Catholics that quite literally murdered and tortured countless millions of Christians during the Crusades? What exactly are the Catholics you are proud of fighting against?

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi So, oral proclamation was at one point sound. When did that end with scripture voiding it? Also I was going to throw 2 Thessalonians at you next but you rightly contexed it. What is your denomination? There's no way you're low church.

John 21:25 is not saying essential teachings or doctrines "missing" from Scripture. It was simply highlighting the vastness of Jesus' life & works. The apostles and early believers relied on apostolic teaching which included both oral proclamation & written letters/Gospels as they circulated. Paul himself urged holding to this "whether by our spoken word or by our letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15) and also commended the Bereans for examining Scriptures to verify.

If faith in Christ is all that is necessary for salvation, then every Catholic is saved. Catholics believe in Christ, trust in Christ, are baptized into Christ, confess Christ as Lord, and worship Christ as the incarnate Son of God. So when Protestants say Catholics are damned, they are revealing that they do not actually believe faith in Christ is enough. They have additional invisible tests Catholics must fail.

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi Few things; firstly, scripture doesn't say "everything is in scripture". One example of many; John 21:25. Secondly, what did Christians rely on then, when there wasn't a canonized scripture for the first 3 centuries?

@Zenith481 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi Everything is in scripture. That's why it's important to rely on it & not corruptible men. If unsure or confused on certain scriptures, pray about it. Our God is omnipotent... nothing too big or small.

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi You actually seem genuine so I'll continue. But no I'm not of that belief. Let's start from scratch here. How do we determine Gods directions for us fallen children of Adam and Eve? How do we know what instructions are from God and not the deceiver?

@Zenith481 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi This is where everything falls apart. You are of the belief that "church fathers" should be able to just make things up as they go along. And that's despite scripture saying otherwise on many made up things. You must believe that "church fathers" were infallible & holy men. 🤮

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi I don't even know where to start.. 2 questions for you; are you on the side of the fence where everything to be known/followed is only in the bible? Also, do you think councils Dogmatized things then and there with no prior belief/well know structure?

WRONG. Pay attention! Peter, being the leader of the church: Wore simple, practical clothing as a humble man. Never referred to as “holy father” or anything similar. Just “Apostle of Jesus” A married man Never wore a crown Never claimed infallibility; admitted when he was wrong Prayers were direct & spontaneous, no rosary, not repetitious Never spoke of purgatory 9th century: “Royalty attire” of large collars, gold, silk & jewels 11th century: Referring to the pope as “holy father” 12th century: mandated celibacy 14th century: Pope is referred to as “father of kings” & “vicar of Christ” resulting in a 3-tier crown. 15th century: Formal liturgical repetition 16th century: Pope Pius V officially established the rosary's structure: 15 decades of Hail Marys, Our Fathers, focusing on 15 specific mysteries. 16th century: Purgatory became official doctrine through the Councils 16th century: Prayers to Mary and saints 19th century: The pope was deemed “infallible” by Vatican I council. 20th century: Mary’s earthly body and soul was taken to heaven

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi Early Church; Eucharist, Clerical hierarchy, Icon Veneration, Marian devotion, Praying for the dead/intercession, spiritual purgation after death, ect. Orthodox agree btw. Low Reformers; da bible only...yet 1000's of denominations. Majority of which reject the former. Hmm..

@Zenith481 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi 100% FALSE. You have everything EXACTLY BACKWARDS. Over the years the Catholic Church evolved into unbiblical man-made nonsense, including nonsense that runs completely counter to scripture, hence the schisms, reformation era, etc.

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi The point is; if you understood the early fathers/early church, you'd see how far gone Protestantism is. Mainline Christendom for the first 1400 years would be appalled by the last 500 years of reformers. It's completely different. I trust the Apostles students. Not newheretics.

@Zenith481 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi I'm not going to read the "early fathers." That's the entire point. The context/interpretation I posted with respect to Greek words & how Tyndale accurately translated them vs. the Catholic church's translations should be a good launchpad for you to dig further.

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi What's frustrating about rhetoric with protestants is that I understand what you believe you're saying. It makes sense at face value. Funny enough, 90% of what protestants say I agree with. But the context/interpretation is way off course at the same time. Read the early fathers.

Greek "ekklesia," means assembly or called-out ones. Tyndale used "congregation" Greek "presbuteros," means elder or senior. Tyndale used that instead of "priest" Greek "metanoia," means repentance. Tyndale used that instead of "do penance" meaning sacramental penance Greek "agape," means love. Tyndale used that instead of "charity" indicating works-based merit. Tyndale is actually the one who translated accurately. And he was tortured & killed over it.

@ChristySimm23 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi Tyndale literally changed certain words/sentences to fit protestant ideals that were leading to heresy after heresy...what do you mean? And yeah, it was about controlling damnable heresy. He wasn't killed for translating the bible for laymen. It was for changing scripture.

@Zenith481 @doulonkyriou @BishopJaxi Absolutely not. For example, Tyndale wasn't "changing scripture." "The secret mysteries of faith are not to be exposed to all everywhere" "We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have" It was about *control* Grotesque & evil.