Tom Budinger

@ESPNCleveland @egoldie80 Absolutely not. It would be stupid ...

Would you do this draft day trade if you were the Browns: Browns get - No. 16 and No. 44 Jets get - No. 6 WATCH: youtube.com/watch?v=HhMDud…

While every other school in college football has grown men, Colorado seems to be opting for middle schoolers

@WrestleOps @BodyslamNet Meh. I don't think their match needs something like that. I'd rather the double turn happen between Randy and Cody ...It might bring some sense to what's been going on with the build up to their match lately. And it would freshen up Cody's character.

The idea of a double turn with Sami Zayn and Trick Williams at WrestleMania 42 has reportedly been discussed due to the crowd reactions for both. (via @BodyslamNet)

@BRICSinfo (???) Like ...with aliens?!?

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@SleeperBrowns @SleeperNFL @SleeperCowboys More like: DAL - 1.06, 3.70 CLE - 1.12, 1.20

If the Browns trade out of the 6th pick, what should the trade package look like to make it worth doing so? A “fair deal” per drafttek.com’s Rich Hill model trade chart: DAL acquires- 1.06, 2.39 CLE acquires- 1.12, 1.20 #DawgPound

What in the blue heck are you even talking about? -- Talk about ignorance!!! Talk about "being wrong"! (again) This seems to be a theme with you! Your whole strange reply is another instance of you putting words in people's mouths. Like you're having some weird argument with yourself about things I didn't say, but that you made up that I said. That's a classic liberal straw man argument tactic when they've lost. "Ignorant of how (we) treated women in America and the mentally ill pre-1980's?" ...You weren't even around then! Did you learn all of that fake propaganda from some indoctrinating pink-haired college professor you had once? Take it from someone who lived it. I can ease your mind. No. Women were not being thrown into asylums or mental hospitals just for being women back then. In fact, the 60's and 70's in particular were a time of great advancement for women as far as being taken seriously in science, in the arts, in government, in the corporate world, and even in the home. (I'm related to a couple of those who broke that new ground and very proud of them) I'm surprised you didn't know that. Seems pretty ignorant of the subject matter and misogynistic for you not to have. As far as how the mentally ill were treated? Yeah ...Someone with turet's syndrome or a severe tic and stutter might get looked at funny in a public setting during a spontaneous break-out. That still goes on today. (though a tad less so ...just a td, though) As you should be well aware, I'm not talking about them. Most of them are decent people. Their maladies don't qualify admittance to and insane asylum. I am talking about people with actual psychosis. In the absence of asylums during that time, many of the most threatening and violent bi-polars and paranoid schizophrenics were free to roam amongst the people. Some became out-patients of a woefully underfunded mental health system. (this is still a problem actually) They were prescribed psychotropic drugs, SSRIs, etc. Others went untreated. They worked in our hospitals (Charles Cullen), worked in security (Dennis Rader), started cults (Charles Manson), stalked women (Ted Bundy), and ate people (Jeffrey Dahmer), etc., etc., etc. -- And every time another incident as heinous as their's would occur, we'd ask ourselves as a society the faux question: "How could this have happened?!?" Well ...I mean, for example, Dennis liked to torture and kill animals as a kid. So did Jeffrey Dahmer, who was also abused by his parents. Ted Bundy had a hatred of women participated in violent sexual fetishes. Who could have known they would all turn out the way they did? Right?!? You see, in sweeping their violent and psychotic tendencies under the rug in favor of the guise of the acceptance and normalization of their mental illness, society actually nurtured and created them. Instead of insitutionalization, society allows them free reign of the people. And it was the same then as it is today with recent mass shootings. These people used to be put into asylums. Now the illnesses of many of our most violent are coddled and normalized. They have almost become a badge of honor in our society. Asylums as they were originally intended were not a death sentence. They were a more intensive and controlled treatment option away from the general population that allowed the in-patients a place to "heal" while keeping the streets safe. Now, in the absence of those, many of the same type of people who used to be assigned to those facilities actually live ON the streets. And it is not being insensitive to them to say that that is a problem. True empathy (again for many of the most violent and threatening) is an effective treatment plan like existed in the asylums. Not appeasement. Anyway, speaking of "remove a person"! ( ...and before you put more words into my mouth that I didn't say to straw man on about ...)

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol So not only are you wrong about the insanity. You also have no idea why mental asylums are so bad and think that you can just remove a person. This also means you're ignorant of how we treated women in America and the mentally ill pre 1980s

🚨OH. MY. GOSH!!! The man who m*rdered Iryna Zarutska on the Light Rail in Charlotte NC, DeCarlos Brown Jr... ...has just been found “INCAPABLE TO PROCEED” on the state m*rder charge brought against him WHAT THE HELL?!!!!!!!!

Thus my original post that you replied to ...That the insanity plea needs to be abolished. That is my view. It is not for you to determine whether that is wrong or right. It is an opinion. I give zero fucks about whether a rapist or murderer had a mental illness or not. I have zero empathy for them. I don't care whether they are mentally capable of standing trial or not. If they raped or murdered someone, the minute that occurred, they deserve to treated and punished like everyone else. Regardless of our mental capacity, we all know the difference between right and wrong. We are born with that sense. There are no excuses. The insanity or mental incompetence plea is a cop out and, in many cases, has been used as a scam defense tactic. I couldn't give a shit about "that's the system of the past 100 years". That means nothing to me or to what I originally said ...Fuck the "insanity" plea. Fuck the system. Upend it. That was what my original post that you replied to was implying.

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol It's not me being right. Your just incorrect based on facts and how our justice system has been run for 100s of year since we fight out what being mentally incapable of know right from wrong is. Even the parents of the girls say stop using her death for stupid political gains.

That's like scrapping your car because it got a flat tire and it ran out of fuel and windshield wiper fluid. Wouldn't it have been better to remove the people raping the women and mistreating the patients? Instead they cut off their noses to spite their faces ... A big reason asylums were shut down was that they sought a more humanitarian acceptance of the mentally ill by integrating them back into society and striking down what they felt were unjust stigmas about their various illnesses. While noble in it's goals, as not everyone deserved to be locked up in an asylum, the flaw was a blind eye toward the realities of some of the more dangerous illnesses of the individuals who actually did. That blind eye still exists today, and it plays itself out in a great many of the inexplicable psychopathic "lone wolf" incidents that have taken place in recent times. In just about every one of them, the clear signs were there ahead of time. We've just normalized the existence of them in our society to the point that it is looked at as sacrilege and being intolerant to call them out. Instead of actually treating mental illness, we just cover the symptoms up with over-prescribed drugs like adderall, prozac, lexapro, xanax, zoloft, hormone suppressors, etc, and then wonder why society has become so hopelessly unstable. Again, kudos to the many who are able to manage their mentals and live normal lives. They are admirable and are not who I am talking about here. There are still some (like Decarlos) that would have been prime candidates for intake into an asylum if they'd still been open. His mother had been begging state health and insurance companies for help since he was let out of prison all the way back in 2020. She was denied at every turn. The other reason the asylums closed, of course, was due to massive funding shortfalls. Now, more than ever, it is time to re-open the asylums. These are where the criminally insane deserve to be. In the absence of those, though, (which is where we are at currently) our only recourse instead is to eschew the overly abused "insanity" yplea in our courts and order punishment for any crimes committed commiserate with what anyone else would receive for the same crimes. Sending a disturbed criminal to an underfunded, badly managed, and corrupted state-run mental hospital is a slap in the face to their victims, makes a mockery of our justice system and cures nobody ...

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol They closed the insane asylums. Because people were being miss treated and women were being raped.

You're right ...I'm wrong. They're wrong. Everyone is wrong. You're the only one that is right. I've come around to your apologist suicidal empathy way of thinking. "Free Decarlos!!! He doesn't belong in prison! Society needs him! He's an upstanding citizen that just thinks differently about the world than the rest of us! He is not a criminal! He is not a hateful man! Just severely misunderstood! And hey! Back in the 90's, livin' la vida loca was something to be celebrated!" ( ...Did I do good there? I'm still new to this suicidal empathy thing ...) Surely you will commit to giving him a couch to sleep on when he is deemed "mentally healthy" by the soft gullible morons at the state mental hospital, and he is released on good behavior into society again with a big shiny certificate and blue razz blow pop. They say you're never really FULLY reformed until your 15th time through the legal system.

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol You can write a full book and you're still wrong. You being wrong is born out in the why case got the outcome it got. And as much as the feds want to try and posture he is still insane. And has been in and out of the hospital.

I am, and will continue to be, correct ... One cannot normalize and coddle the criminally insane and then also use their mental illness as an excuse for them when they commit a heinous crime. It's one or the other. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Do you know who was criminally insane and spent the rest of his years in prison (where he did not re-offend) instead of an ineffectually staffed and underfunded slap-on-the-wrist state mental hospital? -- Charles Manson. So there was a time in this country when they used to judge these cases more sanely. We have strayed from that path in recent years ...Anymore, we live in a culture where tolerance and leniency is preached over effective treatment of the individual and protective measures for the society. We make excuses and show more empathy for the violent criminal, than we do for the innocent victim. We sweep uncomfortable truths under the rug in lieu of confronting them. We place our ideologies ahead of societal realities. Good is portrayed as evil. Evil is portrayed as good. Perceptions are blurred. All that to say, the "gray" needs to be eliminated. The corrupted system we live in thrives in the "gray" and is advanced by it's confusion. There is no confusion as to what happened here. There is no "gray". Cases like this are pretty clear. State mental wards aren't going to help these offenders. They are just a bus stop and scammed early release on the way to their next offense to these individuals. Subjectively (and wrongly) deemed "healed" by some unqualified, disinterested hand-jobber on the dole of big pharmaceutical ...And the only one held accountable at the end of the day is not the criminal; nor the judge; nor the doctor. They only one *inexpicably* held accountable is the victim ...The most "insane" entity in all of this being the system in which we live. No more of that. No more "gray" lines or suicidal empathies. No more excuses. No more second|third|fourth|fifth|fourteenth chances. Mental issues or not, for the sake of civil society, the criminally insane need to be locked up and punished the same as anybody else would be for their transgressions. If they re-open the insane asylums, then maybe we can have a more constructive debate about the insanity defense. Until then ...

One it's not a false equivalency a 4 year old doesn't have the mind to know right from wrong just like an insane person. And no insane person doesn't deserve to be treated just like a normal birth. So you're just incorrect. There will be no point where you're correct. And that has been decided for about a hundred years.

@dumbestboy543 @mattvanswol The facilities that these offenders need to be sent to no longer exist. They abolished them back in the late 60's/early 70's. What's left is a joke. So no. The facilities no longer exist. I will leave it at that.

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol It literally does

@dumbestboy543 @mattvanswol It does not. Not anymore ...Maybe back before 1965 it did. But not anymore.

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol Yes he should’ve been in one. Jim pleading insanity puts him in one

No. You don't jail crazy people. You jail criminals ...All crazy people aren't criminals. All criminals aren't crazy people. But crazy criminals deserve to be punished as equally as the rest of us. And to your false equivalency, that 4-year old you mention wouldn't go to jail, (they don't send 4-year old children to prison), but his/her Mom or Dad or both sure as heck would for being the enablers. It's called accountability. And maybe some of our judges should be treated the same.

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol We don't jail crazy people and have not for 100 years or so. It would be like jailing a 4yr old can he got his dads gun. You're wrong, will always bee wrong as a society(meaning Earth) most civilizations don't do this.

No. I am saying there is no longer any place to send these "insane" offenders that isn't jail. There is no longer any punishment that fits the crimes that they commit that isn't what any one of the rest of us would receive. Insane asylums were abolished back in the late 60's/early 70's and, with them, effectively the "insanity" defense ...So what is left for these offenders does not work. The current mental health system is corrupt and ineffective, choosing symptomatic drugs, profit, and political correctness over any actual treatment of the various mental diseases they are tasked to alleviate in their patients. Reduced sentences or stays on sentencing or trials do not work. And obviously, just releasing them back into society untreated (as these judges have been doing) does not work. If you want to normalize and placate the mentally ill, (as a certain sect in this society appears to want to do), then the only place to put the criminals amongst them that is away from the rest of the general populace anymore where they can do no harm is in the prison population with the rest of the "normies". You either treat them like everyone else or you don't. You either punish them like everyone else or you don't. It is utter hypocrisy to place leniencies and conditions on their criminal behavior in a society that goes out of it's way to normalize it. And it is unsafe. Maybe if they ever re-open the insane asylums where many of these criminals clearly deserve to be sent, then we can also re-open the conversation regarding the "insanity" defense. Until then, bad actors like this guy need not be receiving any special treatment in their cases or punishment over the rest of society. The "kid gloves" treatment with him over the years is what lead to this tragedy ...and his case is but one of many many many examples. It is suicidal empathy.

@budinger_tom @dumbestboy543 @mattvanswol Well there you go, you answered your own naive question. So you agree he should be in one now if you think he should have been in one then.

False. Who said anything about killing anyone? (which is a hyperbolic take in the first place because there are a multitude of punishments that do not involve execution, but do put our most violent offenders away in a place where they can no longer terrorize "civil society") You are the one who injected "killing" into the argument. The debate has to do with reduced or favorable sentencing (or a stay of sentence or trial) due to perceived mental illness. It is a farcical excuse. And it is why this guy was free to roam about the city with impunity. If you do the crime, you should do the time regardless of your schizophrenia or paranoia or whatever mental imbalance you might have. You should not be out walking the streets amongst civilians because some ideologically naive judge took pity on you. This case is "example 1A" as to why ...This guy has had a documented history of judicial leniency in his case file due to his mental health issues. At a certain point, what is best for society has to trump what is best for the offender in our legal system.

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol trying to use what I said as some gotcha. But makes my point. If your killing everyone that commits an crime you can kill anyone even if they don't commit one.

@BreitbartNews @AwakenedOutlaw They were alone? ...Which one of them the heck was taking the pictures then?!?

Married Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel caught on camera hugging, holding hands with interweaved fingers, and hot tubbing alone with a married NYT reporter. Just last week, he scolded a Christian player who posted a Bible verse in support of Jaden Ivey. trib.al/qRxHG2n

@dumbestboy543 @mattvanswol Given his dangerous mental issues, violent history, and multiple run-ins with the law, why wasn't he in one?

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol Why? Either way they get locked up. Just instead of a prison they go to a mental hospital.

To your point, in this "civil society", DeCarlos Brown Jr. killed somebody that he felt didn't fit in ...So the hypocrisy of your statement is duly noted. Suicidal empathy is suicidal. He had been through the court system and been given a free pass for years on similar grounds. (that he was unfit to stand trial) A "civil society" cannot be "civil", when insanity is normalized and crime is not punished for fear of political incorrectness or in favor of the hope of reformation of our most violent offenders. A "civil society" cannot be "civil" where killers and rapists are allowed to walk the streets with impunity. THAT is more the hallmark of a "backwater nation" ...

@budinger_tom @mattvanswol Yeah this is a civil society not some backwater nation that just kills people cause they don't fit in. First it's insane the disabled, then all criminals, then you just make up crimes to kill people.

@kubbval @ESPNCleveland @TomPelissero Would be all over that.🤞🤞🤞

@budinger_tom @ESPNCleveland @TomPelissero Wouldn’t mind Tyson at 24 if he fell.

Texas A&M WR KC Concepcion is on a visit with the Browns today, per @TomPelissero. Would you be happy if the Browns selected him?