Patrick ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‰

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Patrick ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‰

Patrick ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‰

@patrickamon

Glasgow ๊ฐ€์ž…์ผ Haziran 2009
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This should be evidence in a war crimes trial A British spy plane circles Khan Younisโ€”the major area of fighting in Gaza at timeโ€”for 2 hours on 28 July 2025 We learnt later that intel gathered was being sent to the Israeli military in real-time Starmer needs to be indicted
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Matt Kennard
Matt Kennard@kennardmattยท
Novara picks up the story Any of the hundreds of journalists in Britain's mainstream media interested at all? BBC? Guardian? Telegraph? Seems important...
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno I d not accept your premise that Palestinians are racist, bigoted, murderous monsters, for the same reason that I do not accept other racist stereotypes that have been used to justify suppressing and murdering members of minority ethnic groups in history.
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Jason Pearlman
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@patrickamon @owenjonesjourno But you also have the intelligence to know that a Palestinian state would not accept Jewsโ€ฆ or indeed LGBTโ€ฆ. Or to an extent even Christians?
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Patrick ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‰
@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno their equality is somewhat qualified, but yes, the injury done by Israel to the inhabitants pre 1948 of the land we now call Israel is not chiefly to those Palestinians who are now citizens of Israel, but to those Palestinians who are not permitted to return to where their
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Patrick ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‰
@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno When people say that Israel is a state for the Jews do they mean that "Jew" and "Israeli citizen" are synonyms? If not, then those who defend Israel on the grounds that it is a homeland for the Jews do not mean that it is a homeland only for its citizens. Of course this is so
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Patrick ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‰
@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno But I'm simply not. I am adamant that *any* state that defends atrocities on the grounds that it is a special state for a particular group of people must be prepared to define what being a state for that group of people consists in. It simply happens that I cannot think of any
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno You: there you go again, attacking our religious history and culture. Us guys: we're not attacking your religious history and culture, we're objecting to ethnic cleansing, military occupation and apartheid. You: no, no, it can't be that. You must hate me because I'm Jewish,
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Patrick ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‰
@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno OK, the conversation so far: Zachary: define a Jewish state Owen: good question You: Haha, gotcha, can you define a Christian state? Me: it's not necessary to define a Christian state since no one is defending ethnic cleansing on the grounds that the state doing it is a
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@owenjonesjourno I have. You just want an answer you like. Not one thatโ€™s true. I canโ€™t help you with that Iโ€™m afraid. Ask someone that hates Israel.
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno If there is a Christian state that justifies its dispossession and subsequent military occupation of people ethnically cleansed in order to create that state on the grounds that it is a "Christian state" and deserves special rights accordingly then advocates of that state had
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Gabi Stilman
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@owenjonesjourno China? Japan? There are plenty of peoples in the world, and the Jewish people has the same right as the others: self-determination.
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